160. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 09:08:41 AM PST
Q u o t e: Great job to all of the testers who figured this out. If the bug can be reliably reproduced then Blizzard should be able to start working on a fix. There's also another annoying bug with Judgement, but thankfully it is not as severe.
Test subjects:
Ret pally with +3 crit effect from judgements
Prot pally with -20% attack speed effect from judgements
Holy pally with neither debuff
If we are both Judging the same target with the same judgement (ie wisdom) we will cancel out each others effects. Let's say the Prot pally starts the fight with JoW and applies the -20% attack speed debuff. Next when the Ret pally judges wisdom the mob gets the +3% crit debuff (and loses the -20% attack speed debuff), but then when the Prot pally re-judges wisdom the mob gets -20% attack speed (and loses the 3% crit debuff). This will repeat over and over until the fight ends. If a holy paladin is in the raid then he'll remove BOTH debuffs when he judges wisdom. If each paladin is using a different judgement (i.e. ret using JoW, prot using JoL, and holy using JoJ) then everything works out fine.
I've tested this over and over and it happens 100% of the time. Basically you have to organize your Judgements in a party/raid otherwise you will be constantly knocking each other's debuff off.
Kinmaul, you should address this issue in a separate post to avoid it being overlooked!
162. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 09:19:29 AM PST
Q u o t e: GC its been isolated for you guys can we get a update that you have seen this?
Internal testing still shows paladins doing JAW DROPPING damage even with the bug. They are trying to collect their thoughts while figuring out a way to not fix this.
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163. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 09:27:16 AM PST
Q u o t e:
Internal testing still shows paladins doing JAW DROPPING damage even with the bug. They are trying to collect their thoughts while figuring out a way to not fix this.
Oh yeah totally, Paladins that are so oom they can't even try to judge do crazy damage.
164. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 09:39:18 AM PST
Q u o t e:
Internal testing still shows paladins doing JAW DROPPING damage even with the bug. They are trying to collect their thoughts while figuring out a way to not fix this.
Kalgan soloed Sapphiron in Beta on his Ret. We were nerfed shortly thereafter.
166. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 10:48:53 AM PST
Q u o t e:
Kalgan soloed Sapphiron in Beta on his Ret. We were nerfed shortly thereafter.
Lets be honest here. You were nerfed because people QQ'd at 80 that they couldn't fight you the same way anymore (i.e. Stand and laugh at your damage while they cast carefree)
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170. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 12:54:36 PM PST
Q u o t e: Ghostcrawler: I just tested this with a warrior friend.
100% reproduction using Org heroic training dummy using all 3 judgements:
Warrior puts up Thunderclap.
Just to make things simple, I wait till thunderclap has about 12 seconds left on it.
I cast judgement. Hit successful.
Thunderclap falls off.
8 seconds later
I cast judgement. Nothing happens, no mana, no damage. Judgement goes on cooldown and consumes it's mana cost. Judgement debuff does not refresh.
I wait for cooldown, judgement fails again, just like before.
Judgement debuff, + heart of the crusader fall off the target.
Cast judgement. Judgement successful.
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Debuff's rolling off the target seem to be causing this problem. As new debuffs are applied; they fall off before my judgement does (which it never will unless overwritten by another pally) due it having a 100% uptime at hit cap. Problem is this can cause 2 + judgement failures waiting for the debuff to fall off.
As an earlier poster said, as the judgement debuff moves from position X to Y, is where this bug seems to be happening.
This also explains away the crit relationship theories using hammer of justice. The debuff Hammer of Justice is rolling off before you re-apply your first judgement after casting Hammer of Justice.
EDIT:
It should also be noted, that as long as the judgement debuff maintained it's position on the target, IE keep refreshing Thunderclap, every judgement was successful.
171. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:15:02 PM PST
/bump
like it will matter.
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172. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:17:58 PM PST
Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
173. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:23:19 PM PST
First first!
Q u o t e: Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
174. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:28:09 PM PST
Q u o t e: Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
Sorry you had to endure it for so long. :(
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175. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:28:29 PM PST
Q u o t e: Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
176. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:29:05 PM PST
Q u o t e: Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
Sorry you had to endure it for so long. :(
You're the Greatest GC!
Thanks all around to the Blizzard team for finding and solving this mess, Great Job.
177. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:31:54 PM PST
Q u o t e: Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
Sorry you had to endure it for so long. :(
I'm curious what caused it to fail. Any chance you can tell us?
178. Re: @ GC: How to reproduce the Judgment Bug 12/15/2008 02:52:52 PM PST
Q u o t e: Okay, we think we have been able to isolate this bug and put in a fix that prevents Judgements from failing any longer. Assuming a little more testing supports this conclusion we plan on hotfixing this.
Sorry you had to endure it for so long. :(
Nice that it worked out to be hot fixable. Much appreciated!
