Thank you for the expedient response.

Alright, looking forward to finding about the changes you have in mind.

What really would have saved about 2 pages worth of DD threads about nerfing demonology *glad GC clarified* would have been a warlock update of ANY KIND. All we've gotten through beta and for the last month since release is "We're looking at....." I'm grateful that a lot of thing are being looked at but I can watch grass grow and I know it's greener on the other side of the fence atm.

Not knowing for how long (possibly weeks, possibly months) is extremely frustrating, especially since season 5 goes live in a week. That means locks basically get the shaft or a huge bullseye on their heads the ones who are brave enough to venture out into arenas.

It's just depressing that it's come to this point with all the wonderful feedback from the Beta Crew, 1 month of Live, and still not much to show for it (we're a portable summoning stone now) - not that i'm not greatful for the few and far between changes.......i am and we as a community are.....but honestly, it's been a few months and many other classes have gotten the tools that they need to survive in arena and some others haven't. It just seems like we're be penalized because we picked the wrong class to play.

ty,

now i cant wait for the complete patch notes!

Stop QQing about MMO-Champ. They only reported what was on the current PTR build...

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There are some patch notes that reference nerfs to Demonic Tactics and Demonic Knowledge.

We are NOT making those changes anymore.

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Fixed?

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There is always a risk when data mining that you pick up something incorrectly. Hunters made dartboards of us (well more dartboards anyway) when someone thought we had nerfed Wing Clip by misreading a mob ability.

But before you take it out on MMO-Champion or anyone else, these were some actual changes we were experimenting with. Unfortunately, they were part of some other changes that we have decided to not go forward with at this time and when viewed in a vacuum appear to be a nerf to Demonology.

To reiterate though, the changest to Demonic Embrace and Demonic Tactics are not going to show up on live.

PTRs are a little like betas. We want to try some things out. We plan on updating the data a couple of times if we can.


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kk aff and pvp info kk?

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Alright, looking forward to finding about the changes you have in mind.

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Yes, the fact that this change was being thought of did raise a lot questions in my mind. Where you planning to reshuffle the crit in deep demo, since maybe you felt that a single talent giving 10% crit was a bit overbudget? Was it a move in anticipation or maybe in reaction to the possible lock dot crit scaling?

Dunno, guess I'm just thinking too much about this, but any current information to avoid the community from being blindsided with potential changes being announced from third parties would be helpful.


PS: I caught that Demonic Embrace edit to Demonic Knowledge!! THAT'S TWICE NOW THAT I CAUGHT YOU GC!!!

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You forgot to check it. :P

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PTRs are a little like betas. We want to try some things out. We plan on updating the data a couple of times if we can.

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Then I'll make sure to give my in-game feedback on there as well. Is it safe to say that I can comment on all aspects of the game on the PTR?

I didn't really get to explore the in-game feedback as much as I would have liked in beta. Could I mention stuff about the 40 yard range on Demonic Portal not actually being enough?

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There is always a risk when data mining that you pick up something incorrectly. Hunters made dartboards of us (well more dartboards anyway) when someone thought we had nerfed Wing Clip by misreading a mob ability.

But before you take it out on MMO-Champion or anyone else, these were some actual changes we were experimenting with. Unfortunately, they were part of some other changes that we have decided to not go forward with at this time and when viewed in a vacuum appear to be a nerf to Demonology.

To reiterate though, the changest to Demonic Knowledge and Demonic Tactics are not going to show up on live.

PTRs are a little like betas. We want to try some things out. We plan on updating the data a couple of times if we can.

And yes we have other warlock changes we are working on. Hopefully they will be available on the PTR as well, but no promises. Sometimes changes take time. Believe me, I get impatient too when I know changes to my class are coming.


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Thanks for the clarification and information Ghostcrawler!

I really do appreciate this improved amount of communication between you're player base and the development team. It is a very nice change and for the record I think you're doing an excellent job! Keep up the good work!

-Jara

We of the warlock community beg blizz to make warlocks viable in general pvp.

Free HK's similar to release of this game is depressing

Awww crap...the MMO-Champion talent calculator uploads directly from the PTR.

Tell me this is a bug, and not that you changed your minds.

Hey, GC. You should stop by the healer forums. :(

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There are some patch notes that reference nerfs to Demonic Tactics and Demonic Knowledge.

We are NOT making those changes.

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Thanks GC. I tried to tell some of these people, but my thread turned into a pity party.

What is so damn difficult about acknowledging current problems even if all your response says is "We acknowledge this as a real problem and are working on it, but aren't yet certain if we'll have it fixed in time for this patch".

I mean we haven't even gotten direct acknowledgment, or even a recent update, on pretty much anything...

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There is always a risk when data mining that you pick up something incorrectly. Hunters made dartboards of us (well more dartboards anyway) when someone thought we had nerfed Wing Clip by misreading a mob ability.

But before you take it out on MMO-Champion or anyone else, these were some actual changes we were experimenting with. Unfortunately, they were part of some other changes that we have decided to not go forward with at this time and when viewed in a vacuum appear to be a nerf to Demonology.

To reiterate though, the changest to Demonic Knowledge and Demonic Tactics are not going to show up on live.

PTRs are a little like betas. We want to try some things out. We plan on updating the data a couple of times if we can.

And yes we have other warlock changes we are working on. Hopefully they will be available on the PTR as well, but no promises. Sometimes changes take time. Believe me, I get impatient too when I know changes to my class are coming.


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Thank you for clarifying that :)


wuuuuuuv you

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Awww crap...the MMO-Champion talent calculator uploads directly from the PTR.

Tell me this is a bug, and not that you changed your minds.

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He already explained, the changes to DT and DK where made into the build, in anticipation of other changes that did not make it for this build or where probably scrapped altogether. Since the mystery changes aren't going in, then DT and DK will stay the same.

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Believe me, I get impatient too when I know changes to my class are coming.

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Sorry.