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Where are you getting that?

Not having to account for Defense Skill, can't you just jam every socket with Dodge and Stamina to increase your effective health?

The best avoidance DK I've seen is ~40%. Sure, with Blade Barrier up and Litchborne you can turn that up to ~75%, but that's an "Oh-crap" button on a 3m cooldown.

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13392289818&sid=1
According to this thread, most are sitting at 50-60% passive, not including Blade Barrier.

Druids, including miss, can't even get to 50% (or so I've heard. I'm too lazy to go figure it out)

awww a lvl 70 badge idol? Did you miss the part where we were using something of the item level from AZEROTH! we dont have anything in BC because we weren't around. I'd kill for a Sigil that was not the starter one and lvl 70. so its not lvl 80 at least its something viable. Guess what the 90 dmg to blood strike? OMFG thats amazing for a frost tank an extra 180 dmg while i put up my parry buff. Yea thats a real life saver. You keep whining about feral tanks sucking but we're doing just fine with ours they're doing really well maybe you should just suck it up.

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I don't know about the rest of you ferals but reading about the DK changes really makes me feel like a 2nd class citizen.

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LOL, when did we get promoted? The addition of DK's demoted us from 3rd to 4th class.

In all honesty, I'm happy with the talents and the class, but our gear doesn't even rank as an afterthought. Heck, I'd *LOVE* feeling like it was an afterthought.

"Hey guys, maybe we should put some dodge on this rogue gear to shut the ferals up?"

No idols that benefit any aspect of tanking, much less an actual tanking idol. Every other class/spec has something in that slot that gives them something that is a) on all the time and b) useful for their role, except the ferals. My best in slot idol is a lvl 70 item that procs agility. WTF.

No weapon enchants that even remotely help tanking, feral or otherwise.

They added tons of great gem cuts, and left the ferals best cut (shifting twilight opal) out. All of the other tanks have great gem cuts.

And my gear. 1,000's of iLvl points burned on useless crap like crit, ap, haste, and armor penetration, when the tanking plate gear is 100% tanking stats. I'm tanking in rogue gear, making do as a 4th class tank.

I'd kill to be 2nd class.

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awww a lvl 70 badge idol? Did you miss the part where we were using something of the item level from AZEROTH! we dont have anything in BC because we weren't around. I'd kill for a Sigil that was not the starter one and lvl 70. so its not lvl 80 at least its something viable. Guess what the 90 dmg to blood strike? OMFG thats amazing for a frost tank an extra 180 dmg while i put up my parry buff. Yea thats a real life saver. You keep whining about feral tanks sucking but we're doing just fine with ours they're doing really well maybe you should just suck it up.

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To be fair....you've used it for a month. Us 2ish years. You were 55 for what? 30 minutes?

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To be fair....you've used it for a month. Us 2ish years. You were 55 for what? 30 minutes?

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Any Death Knight who's 55 for 30 minutes needs to wake up.

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awww a lvl 70 badge idol? Did you miss the part where we were using something of the item level from AZEROTH! we dont have anything in BC because we weren't around. I'd kill for a Sigil that was not the starter one and lvl 70. so its not lvl 80 at least its something viable. Guess what the 90 dmg to blood strike? OMFG thats amazing for a frost tank an extra 180 dmg while i put up my parry buff. Yea thats a real life saver. You keep whining about feral tanks sucking but we're doing just fine with ours they're doing really well maybe you should just suck it up.

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Feral Tanks do not suck.

Feral Tanks suck compared to any other tank.

Yes, a feral can tank anything in the game. However, we are (or are going to be very soon) lacking in every single tanking measure with the possible, POSSIBLE, exception of Max HP. I say possible because I believe to get avoidance values to anything even near acceptable a feral should be geming for agility. And without geming for stamina, our HP is right around all the other tanks. I think I had 1k more than our warriors last time I checked.

Like others have said, it's not about weather we can get the job done. We can. The question is why should you ever bring a druid tank who is not your close, personal, real-life friend.

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Like others have said, it's not about weather we can get the job done. We can. The question is why should you ever bring a druid tank who is not your close, personal, real-life friend.

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Take it from me... even close, personal real-life friends are better off respeccing moonkin and rolling a Death Knight for the tanking they want to get done.

I am the healing lead for my guild and I raided up to Mt. Hyjal. I heal regularly for warriers, Paladins, and feral druids in my guild. I will never try heroic Strat CoT with a druid tank again. Sure they can do it IF you have a shadow priest to shackle and your group outgears it by a ton but that place demonstrates everything wrong with druid tanking. On my most recent effort we one-shotted the first 2 bosses but wiped so much on trash we called it quits. The druid in question is a good friend and a good player. I recommended he respec healing. He could not pick up large pathing groups well... he could not hold on to aggro to the group while dps used a single target kill order.. he could not pick up adds... he could not get aggro off Arthas.

I've done heroic CoT Strat and the Corrupter as a tank.

It was not fun nor would I ever want to put a group through that again.

Edit: Swipe wasn't cutting it.

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Like others have said, it's not about weather we can get the job done. We can. The question is why should you ever bring a druid tank who is not your close, personal, real-life friend.

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I think the key here is, because our gear sucks, we have to work harder to do the same job as the other tank classes, which means the tolerance for "average" druid tank players is significantly less...in short, there are more bad druid tanks than bad warrior tanks, because warrior tanks can 3 button and tank in their sleep and druids have to bust their ass, max their gear, use sub-par chants and gems just to do an adequate job, much less a great one.

For example, I see people whining non-stop about how much feral druid aoe sucks, but I rock at it and love doing it, and have yet to have any problems. Then I group with another feral who asks me "how in the heck are you doing that?" Apparently my swiping was magic or something, when to me it was simple.

Warriors don't do that. Heck, half the warriors I know can't "spel gud", but they don't need to, because their tanking stats are GIVEN to them in their gear. Any prot who disagrees should strip down their tanking plate, put on fury plate, and see how well they tank :)

Because that is what we are doing, we are tanking in leather fury gear.

I had a post here a week ago about CoT Strat. We have a group of 5 of us that consistently run heroics. Me, Protadin, Huntard, Mage and Holy priest. He tanks 99% of the instances these days since its just so much faster and easier with all the AE tanking in heroics. When we do strat with him tanking we just blow through it, I mean it isn't even challenging. Lasdt week he wasn't available so I said I'd tank it and we grabbed another DPS. We wiped 7 times prior to getting to the 2nd boss and finally called it a night. I vowed never to tank it again.

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I am the healing lead for my guild and I raided up to Mt. Hyjal. I heal regularly for warriers, Paladins, and feral druids in my guild. I will never try heroic Strat CoT with a druid tank again. Sure they can do it IF you have a shadow priest to shackle and your group outgears it by a ton but that place demonstrates everything wrong with druid tanking. On my most recent effort we one-shotted the first 2 bosses but wiped so much on trash we called it quits. The druid in question is a good friend and a good player. I recommended he respec healing. He could not pick up large pathing groups well... he could not hold on to aggro to the group while dps used a single target kill order.. he could not pick up adds... he could not get aggro off Arthas.

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Sounds like your tank was bad, like, really bad.

Link him.

I regularly farm the drake, have gotten 5 of my guildies one (I got it the first time Weeee =D).

Swipe Idol, good Expertise and Hit with good AP and Crit and Swipe can hold with little trouble.

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Bears do need a tanking idol. We'll see if we can get one in.

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Weee! First.

Thank You!

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Bears do need a tanking idol. We'll see if we can get one in.

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Thanks! =)

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Bears do need a tanking idol. We'll see if we can get one in.

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/cheer!

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Bears do need a tanking idol. We'll see if we can get one in.

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Thank you, sir. If I may request, please put it somewhere we can get it.

"The good news, we gave bears a tanking idol. The bad news, it's a 1 in 10,000 chance to drop off of 25-man Malygos. Good luck, bears!" :D

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Yep, and feral druids are still using the level 70 badge idol.

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Or the sub par green level one that is a quest reward in Borean Tundra iirc.

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Bears do need a tanking idol. We'll see if we can get one in.

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Thanks!

Could you take a look at the lack of any upgrade to the Outland 35 agility to weapon tanking enchant?
Currently the only other enchant worth considering imo is Mongoose (also from lvl 70).

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Bears do need a tanking idol. We'll see if we can get one in.

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Bah damnit, and just after i finished soloing 70 heroics for idol of terror.

Don't worry, it will probably be an idol that increases damage from Lacerate.