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What's the point of your "ideal abilities" and trying to get Blizzard to implement your cool XYZ ability when Blizzard still doesn't recognize feral fundamental AoE tanking problems?

Why is Feral Druid suffering in AoE tanking? It is NOT because of our Swipe threat. It's combination of factors, like major positional requirement, inability to "grab" multi-mobs to begin with, etc. And it all stems from this:

Warrior:
360 degree - TC
Persistent AoE - None
Frontal - Shockwave
Passive - Damage Shield

Paladin:
360 degree - None
Persistent AoE - Consecrate
Frontal - None (I don't count Hammer of Righteousness since it's 3-targets)
Passive - Holy Shield (on CD I know)

DK: (I honestly don't know details on DK tanking so feel free to add)
360 degree - Howling Blast (maybe frontal?), Blood Boil, Pest. (I don't count Unholy Blight - Unholy tree)
Persistent AoE - DnD
Frontal - ?
Passive - ?

Druid:
360 degree - None
Persistent AoE - None
Frontal - Swipe (I don't count Maul since it's 2-targets after Glyphed)
Passive - None

See the pattern? We have no 360 OR persistent AoE OR passive ability (I'll kick my puppy if you even mention "thorn" as our passive ability.)



If Ghostcrawler doesn't recognize that feral AoE tanking's problem is deeper than just Swipe's threat, all your suggestions mean nothing.

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Yes!

Or, if blizz wants tanking to be harder, if they want to force us to CC everything, don't let some tank classes have this and not others. Either that or guarantee me that all my groups will consist of me, 2 mages, 2 priests, and no dragonkin or elemental mobs. ;)

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As the MMO community ages and spends more time on careers and families...

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Yeah, all trash has been made a joke because there aren't enough young people playing this game any more.... er... what?

This game is a delicate balance between making stuff too hard so it's not worth bothering and too easy so it all becomes mindless one-button spam while watching TV. I'm just saying that currently the pendulum is too far in the "one-button spam while watching TV" category on trash pulls. I'd love to have to use my brain again, at least once in awhile.

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(I'll kick my puppy if you even mention "thorn" as our passive ability.)

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OK you got me, I LOL'd but as sad as it is, that is our passive AoE ability. You mean you don't spec brambles to enhance your AoE tanking ?!? Seriously though Thorns really needs to scale with our of our tanking stats.

Have thorns scale with AP, and make an AOE ability with a short CD then. Or alter demo roar to fit that AOE ability.

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Yeah, all trash has been made a joke because there aren't enough young people playing this game any more.... er... what?

This game is a delicate balance between making stuff too hard so it's not worth bothering and too easy so it all becomes mindless one-button spam while watching TV. I'm just saying that currently the pendulum is too far in the "one-button spam while watching TV" category on trash pulls. I'd love to have to use my brain again, at least once in awhile.

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I agree that the game is easy but the issue is that all other tanks have a 360 degree AOE high threat ability and druids do not. This makes druids a less effective and less desirable tank for heroics.

I'm not saying druids can't tank heroics, but they do not have a good aoe 360 degree threat move that is required when mobs spawn around the tank. It's not really a level playing field when all tanks except druids have great snap agro for grabbing mobs that spawn 360 degrees around them.

JUST BUFF SWIPE THREAT A BIT AND REMOVE IT FROM GCD

I'm pretty happy about this change. No, it's not the perfect magical solution that everyone is hoping for (and that GC rightfully was concerned about us expecting) but I think it will boost our AOE abilities enough that we can manage without too much frustration. We probably still won't have it as easy as say, Paladins, but that's fine by me. I don't mind having to work a little harder to position, or being a little craftier when it comes to picking up adds, what I do mind is losing aggro on my targets when I'm trying to do my fancy druid aoe dance.

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We probably still won't have it as easy as say, Paladins, but that's fine by me.

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You mean you won't have it as easy as Paladins, Death Knights and Warriors. Druids are the only class that doesn't have a 360 degree AOE threat ability.

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The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Nice. Thanks GC.

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Q u o t e:
The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Thanks for listening GC.

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Q u o t e:
The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Thank you.

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It doesn't have to be that way. Trash is only boring because it's made to be boring. Make it challenging, make it require some thought and planning and it *can* be fun again.

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Pre-nerf SSC trash was challenging but the CC-able packs weren't fun. Actually, challenging is the wrong term for those pulls; they just had a harsh penalty. If your CCer couldn't do their one very simple task, you wiped.

Four years after release, CC has become a very stale tactic. You completely incapacitate targets -- the exact same way you CCed a Deadmines mob -- until it's their turn to be 5/10/25 on 1 zerged. There's nothing epic in that scene unless the one guy wins, which in turn means you just fail.

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The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Thanks GC for giving druids a buff.

I still believe druids are the least effective and least desired AOE tank due to the fact they have no 360 degree AOE threat ability. Hopefully you consider altering one of the druids existing abilities or even better adding a new AOE 360 degree abilitiy for snap agro.

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Q u o t e:
The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Thanks! This is going to make a huge difference I think.

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Q u o t e:
The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Thanks! When servers are back online I'll try it out and will post feedback here :)

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Q u o t e:
The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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Thanks for the change GC....however if left on GCD - the swipe problem will continue.

Also please consider the problem with caster groups and how as feral tanks without a silence or any major ranged threat aura we have tons of trouble with them.

I pointed out a bunch of instances which this occurs in - however the problem has continued to be left unaddressed - what sort of fun or flavor can a feral druid possibly gain from not being able to deal with caster groups properly like other tanks.

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The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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This is great but not really what we need.
One of the big problems with our aoe threat is that we can't pick up moving/spawning packs of mobs easily. If one of the mobs runs through us while swipe is on the GCD towards a healer, we have to turn and completely reposition everything to pick it up and get it into position to be swiped. Latency makes getting into range for swipe a pain. Even when I'm right in front of a mob on my screen I still get the "Not in Range" or "Must be facing target" error.

Pallies can lay a consecrate, DKs have Death and Decay, warriors have a 360 degree Thunderclap.


How about adding additional threat onto Demo. Roar, just enough to lock a mob onto us for a second or two so we can get a swipe off?

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Q u o t e:
The change for Swipe to generate an additional 50% threat is now live. Please let us know how it goes.

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This doesn't address the massive pita requiring a target in front of you, in melee range. If I could turn around, swipe, and turn back, the 360 issue is largely negated. Having to turn around, hope tab-target works, swipe, turn back around, try and retarget the boss and hope this process (often needed multiple times), didn't cause you to lose threat on the boss. And, of course, tab-targetting may decide you really want to target sinething two rooms over for some reason.

It really feels like I'm fighting the interface, not the monsters.