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The buffs here are designed primarily to make Arcane more competitive with Fire / Frostfire builds in PvE. Because they could end up buffing Arcane in PvP, we are prepared to adjust the damage of say Arcane Barrage if needed, but we want to see these in action on the PTR first.

Mage PvE damage in general is something we are keeping a close eye on. With the recent hunter changes, many of which were nerfs to PvE damage, we want to make sure mages now don’t break away from the pack of damage-dealing specs.


This statement has me worried GC. HYBRIDS are doing 5k dps now and you seem concerned with nerfing pure dps classes (eg hunters) while its okay for enhance shaman to do over 5k dps. That doesn't make much sense to me.

These knee jerk pve nerf reactions really need to stop, I for one think that hunters were fine for pve. For the love of god, the hunter nerfs were not needed and these knee jerk pve damage nerfs in general are NOT needed.

Please fix your priorities. I think hunters were just fine. I can't think of ANY PURE dps class that can't top the charts depending on the type of encounter. What you NEED TO DO is fix elemental shamans, nerf enhance shamans, and revert the hunter pve damage nerf. If you continue with the knee jerk pve nerfs, hunters will end up in the same boat mages were in TBC, which isn't fun for anyone.

Hey, you know you should probably post this in the thread about the changes...

Pre-emptive QQ is even more pathetic than regular QQ.

As a mage I would be very worried if I were you. I hope you do not get nerfed however. I want my class to be buffed up to your level : )

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I appreciate the posters who aren't even reading what I posted. I'm not a fan of the hunter nerf nor elemenetal shamans doing such low damage, basically, I think the kneejerk reactions aren't called for.

Maybe we should all get nerfed and life will be bliss?

The hunter nerfs are not "Kneejerk" reactions. GC has been saying since beta that Hunter DPS might be to high, and t finally got to the point where it was obvious that BM hunters in particular where putting out more DPS then they anticipated.

"Kneerjerk" would imply they hadn't been trying to toen down Hunter dps before, or that they just react to "live" problems immediately. The reason it takes them so long to fix broken mechanics or make changes at all is they take their time trying to make sure they don't change one thing to break another.

These aren't really knee jerk. We left beta knowing full well Paladins would be OP, Frostfire Bolt was OP, and Hunters were dealing this kind of damage. We've had the expansion launch with no changes, and sure enough, no changes.

These aren't knee jerk. They may be a bit aggressive in some situations, but we'll see if math matches theorycrafting when the PTR launches.

You are foolish if you believe that Blizzard does anything knee-jerk.

That said, it is probably true that they have not fully tested the ramifications of the Hunter changes in-house. That's what the PTR is for. You can test in-house all you want, but until you let ten million players actually play with the changes in practice, it's hard to be sure you've done due diligence.

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These aren't really knee jerk. We left beta knowing full well Paladins would be OP, Frostfire Bolt was OP, and Hunters were dealing this kind of damage. We've had the expansion launch with no changes, and sure enough, no changes.

These aren't knee jerk. They may be a bit aggressive in some situations, but we'll see if math matches theorycrafting when the PTR launches.

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I don't have our wws' in front of me at the moment but on our patchwerk kills we regularly have dps warriors, hunters, warlocks, and mages doing near or over 5k dps. The top dps spot is pretty much interchangable depending on luck, I don't see any 1 class dominating the meters, ever. It could be a mage 1 week, a hunter the next, or a rogue.

It seems to me thats pretty much in line with blizzards original vision of dps being skill / player based with a tad of luck (crit strings) factoring in.

@ the OP

Your class got another series of unwarranted buffs. What are you in here crying about? Go sing the praises of your savior

Did you not see the blizzard nerf?

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I don't have our wws' in front of me at the moment but on our patchwerk kills we regularly have dps warriors, hunters, warlocks, and mages doing near or over 5k dps. The top dps spot is pretty much interchangable depending on luck, I don't see any 1 class dominating the meters, ever. It could be a mage 1 week, a hunter the next, or a rogue.

It seems to me thats pretty much in line with blizzards original vision of dps being skill / player based with a tad of luck (crit strings) factoring in.

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http://wowwebstats.com/z4mpxdjfknyxy?s=37113-63922 here is your WWS. Considering I did more dps then you as a boomkin it's safe to say that skill > class as GC intended(many mages pull over 5k consistently)

If a rogue is topping your DPS charts, you are doing it wrong.

It has been stated that on single targets rogues are a bit low.

We also all know that Warriors and Hunters are too high, so is frostfire (not the damage, but the fact that if the stars align, it can do so much DPS its insanity).

Here is what I think is coming : Warriors Rolling Impales is going to get nerfed, the RNG aspect is going to be toned down of frostfire, rogues are going to get buffed, Elemental Shaman are going to get buffed.

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If a rogue is topping your DPS charts, you are doing it wrong.

It has been stated that on single targets rogues are a bit low.

We also all know that Warriors and Hunters are too high, so is frostfire (not the damage, but the fact that if the stars align, it can do so much DPS its insanity).

Here is what I think is coming : Warriors Rolling Impales is going to get nerfed, the RNG aspect is going to be toned down of frostfire, rogues are going to get buffed, Elemental Shaman are going to get buffed.

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http://wowwebstats.com/3oldn2jilerbk?s=37113-63922

2 rogues doing 5200ish dps, are we doing it wrong? I hear there's a bug that may cause the inflated dps, I'm not too sure on the details of that, however.

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http://wowwebstats.com/3oldn2jilerbk?s=37113-63922

2 rogues doing 5200ish dps, are we doing it wrong? I hear there's a bug that may cause the inflated dps, but yeah, rogues do a lot of dps.

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If they are specced 43 points into sub, then they are using the HAT bug to get that high.

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If they are specced 43 points into sub, then they are using the HAT bug to get that high.

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Gotcha. Like I said I wasn't too sure about it :) If thats the case, rogue pve damage should be buffed to not rely on such things - rogues deserve a shot at the top of the meters since they can only do damage.

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Slap in the face

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This is my favorite.