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I honestly don't see the rationale behind this unless there is a huge deep wounds nerf on the horizon, which i think might be the case. Most warriors were asking for pvp buffs, as warrior DPS was really good in general.

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They changed it because the penalty was unneccessary. It had no effect where fury shines, raid dps, and unneccessarily punished the weakest fury warriors, levellers and pvp'ers.

A DW nerf may be coming but there has been no mention as of yet, too early to say anything about that. Nerfing DW is could be a significant blow to both arms and fury and some compensation should be offered if they go that route.

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All those fury warriors that are in gear good enough to be posting those huge WWS parses won't gain a single point of DPS from this TG change. They were already over the hit cap, and they aren't going to scale back their hit now because its there for rage generation more than anything else. If you stayed RIGHT AT the yellow cap at 70 you had pretty bad rage generation too even with much faster weapons.

If you don't understand how fury works please quit chiming in. This is not like caster dps where you're hit capped or you're not and anything past hit cap is worthless. That's just now how DW fury works.

This is in no way a buff to end game fury warriors, at all. It's meaningless. It was put in to make leveling as fury less painful, and its also a slight buff to PvP fury warriors who apparently can't bother to gem for hit or get pve gear.

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Yeah i see your point. The hit penalty at 5% was basically insignificant anyway. I was expecting some Arms pvp buffs, like adding disarm reduction in the arms tree or something. Its just kind of a surprise.

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It's about as good as your rationale for unnerfing Titan's Grip for those in bad gear.
Why should they make your class able to perform in quest/crafted gear while levelling, if everyone else has to do certain specs for levelling or hunt for specific pieces of gear to level better with?

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What other talent is/was punishing those who take it provided they dont meet certain gear requirements? It's no secret how awful warriors are in bad gear, it makes no sense to make it even worse for them when it has absolutely no effect on the top-tier of warrior.

Any fury warrior with decent Naxx/Heroic gear is hit capped for yellow attacks anyways, they said in the past that a 5% hit penalty was insignificant and that if it was that low they should simply remove it. Thisisnothing but a buff to pvp fury and leveling warriors, it has little to no effect on warriors doing 5k dps on patchwerk.

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It's about as good as your rationale for unnerfing Titan's Grip for those in bad gear.
Why should they make your class able to perform in quest/crafted gear while levelling, if everyone else has to do certain specs for levelling or hunt for specific pieces of gear to level better with?

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Name one class whose 51 point talent was actually a nerf until a certain gear level?

Everyone is bad in greens. I don't see why this is even an argument. The only rationale I can see for Bliz removing the 5% (which I don't care about. You could have made it 10% and It wouldn't' have mattered to me. I'd be pushing for that much hit anyway.) is that it didn't make sense. It was an artificial penalty that accomplished nothing. It made you suck in greens, and then become awesome in purples. It was pointless. This change will effectively do nothing.

Do you raid with TG warriors in greens or something? I don't even get what your point is. Would it make you QQ less if they gave rogues like a 50% dmg boost while they are level 75 in greens? This is seriously the stupidest argument ever. Who really cares what happens at level 71-79 in green gear?

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Cheat Death punishes those without pvp gear! True story.

That's about how much I care about Titan's Grip being ineffective while leveling.
Every class has a talent tree that's better at leveling than the rest, despite Blizzard's assurances that everyone would be viable to level as whatever they wanted!

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Fury is our goddamned leveling tree.

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Cheat Death punishes those without pvp gear! True story.

That's about how much I care about Titan's Grip being ineffective while leveling.
Every class has a talent tree that's better at leveling than the rest, despite Blizzard's assurances that everyone would be viable to level as whatever they wanted!

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Prot spec already has less downtime than fury did while leveling, maybe you should campaign to nerf prot warriors.

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Yes, this is accurate. When TG had a decent penalty, it made players approach the talent differently. A 5% penalty is more of an annoyance really. It doesn't offset the huge bonus granted by TG and just seems pointless.

If Fury's dps is too high, we will address it in other ways.

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When will you address classes that have low DPS? I am guessing changing Feint wasn't a part of the way.

Question is asked here since Rogue threads get ignored, no responses there.

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Thanks for responding to threads about pretty much every class except Rogues, btw. Oh, and Ele Shamans.

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If you squint really hard the above post wasn't made by a retard. You have to be blind and shove your head really far up your own rectum but believe me, it works.

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Yes, this is accurate. When TG had a decent penalty, it made players approach the talent differently. A 5% penalty is more of an annoyance really. It doesn't offset the huge bonus granted by TG and just seems pointless.

If Fury's dps is too high, we will address it in other ways.

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Thanks for some official clarification GC. Too many misconceptions that this is some massive fury buff when its not.

As a fury warrior, I honestly would like to see Deep Wounds scaled down, and some of our other class abilities scaled up. Right now we're basically competitive with other hybrids, but still behind hunters/mages. Rogues just like to QQ cause they are so fail for pure dps right now. I'm inclined not to care cause rogues think they are entitled to top dps just for rolling rogue. Kinda lame imo.

I'd love to see more challenge put into fury rotations. Bloodsurge is a nice start, but really we need a new ability or something. We need something to shake up our very bland rotations. Prot warriors are a blast to play now, and most other dps classes (hunters especially come to mind) have a lot of ways to go. Warriors still rotate 3 attacks on very set schedules. It's great dps, but its boring.

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Yes, this is accurate. When TG had a decent penalty, it made players approach the talent differently. A 5% penalty is more of an annoyance really. It doesn't offset the huge bonus granted by TG and just seems pointless.

If Fury's dps is too high, we will address it in other ways.

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I'll take a free 5% +hit while you are at it.

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I'll take a free 5% +hit while you are at it.

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If you squint really hard the above post wasn't made by a retard. You have to be blind and shove your head really far up your own rectum but believe me, it works.

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^ Is lucky he didn't make that post in rogue forums.

Poor Ippon having to behave to avoid ban.

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I'll take a free 5% +hit while you are at it.

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they don't really get a free 5% hit, as any DW stacks around 10-15% anyways..... it's completely negligible