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I actually use Nourish a fair amount in healing. I mean it's not a miracle spell or anything, but it can be useful. Just to give you an idea it accounted for ~5.4% of my healing done in a Heroic Strat run
Times I prefer Nourish over Regrowth are

Topping the tank off on boss fight where I think mana may come into play.

Spamming it on dps when swiftmend is on cooldown or I would like to save my swiftmend for the tank

Any time when there is a slight disparity between the damage the tank is taking and the damage my hots are covering, ie he's slowly losing health.

I would still use Regrowth over Nourish if the damage is substantial, the hot part of Regrowth is almost over and for dps if I expect them to continue taking some sort of residual or aoe damage.

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i heal extensively on a shaman but my drood recently acquired this spell and i wanted some input on its use.

the questions i have are,

1) is nourish more mana effecient than regrowth?
2) does nourish heal for more, compared to the non hot portion of regrowth?

not being familiar with all the nice resto drood talents, answers to these questions would help me fit nourish into my healing arsenal.

so , im thinking i will be nourishing when i have full hots rolling and need more healing. unless of course, the non hot portion of regrowth still heals for more. then i would only use nourish if it was more mana efficient compared to the non hot portion.

i was happy to welcome a spam heal into our spellbook but if regrowth is more effecient and heals for more, why would i cast it? (i dont even know the cast times.. im thinking nourish was slightly faster than regrowth, i guess that could be a deciding factor on which i casts, but the cast times arent that different.)

When fully glyphed and talented, nourish is both less HP/s and less HP/m than the direct portion of regrowth last time I looked, in large part due to imp regrowth and nature's grace.

The only way i would EVER cast nourish is if they changed it and the spell refreshed the HoTs on the target. And btw MAKE HOTS CRIT AND HASTE INCREASE TICK SPEED. that is all.

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1) is nourish more mana effecient than regrowth?
2) does nourish heal for more, compared to the non hot portion of regrowth?

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1) It is both less and more mana efficient than Regrowth. That is to say, it costs less base mana than regrowth, though how much depends on efficiency talents. However, if Regrowth is more or less not causing overhealing on the heal itself it is more efficient. If the Regrowth Hot also continues to tick for actual healed damage it is significantly more mana efficient. Regrowth (talented) also has a very high crit chance, which makes it more appealing for any kind of high damage.

2) Nourish is a 1.5 second cast and heals for less than the initial heal of Regrowth which is a 2 second cast. Factoring in Regrowth's crit chance with talents it will heal for significantly less initially.

Nourish benefits from 20% increased amount healed if a HoT is active, whereas Regrowth can be glyphed to give 20% more initial heal if Regrowth is still active.

If you are going to mindlessly spam something, Regrowth is the way to go. Nourish has a niche where it is "better" than Regrowth but it's highly situational.

Hm, the biggest problem with Nourish I can see is that it seems to be primarily intended to top up low DPS, not be a primary tank healing spell. The problem is to get your bang for your buck you need a hot to be on the target first, so it becomes a 3s cast spell. Easy solution, let wild growth count for the 20% extra healing. Use WG then top people up with a few quick Nourishes, perfect.

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I'm trying really hard to make it work (I actually use it, just out of stubbornness more than anything).. But it's not easy. Regrowth spam is more efficient.

Actually, I just had another thought, an alternative way to fix it:

Nourish
Req level 80, 600 mana
Increases healing from heal over time effects by 80% for 6 seconds

It also fits better with the spell name.

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Cool idea, imo.

Since we are all on the suggestion bus....

I really think some of the suggestions you guys have mentioned are over the top. I think a better solution would be to put the 4 pc t7 bonus into gift of the earth mother... and then changie the t7 bonus to something more traditional of blizzard...

you know...

like: Your revive ability has a 5% chance to crit.

I wish nourish wasn't just Flash Heal, because druids don't need a Flash Heal.

I think adding something like "Increases the duration of your HoTs on the target by 1.5 seconds" added to the spell would really open in for more use, especially in a prolonged heavy healing situation like Patchwerk 25 (where refreshing HoTs can be difficult due to spike damage needing direct healing).

Or, a specific effect for each HoT on the target -

"Refreshes the duration for your regrowth effect. If Rejuvenation is on the target, they gain rage/energy/mana/runic power. If Lifebloom is on the target, heal for 20% extra. If Wild Growth is on the target, heal all nearby targets with Wild Growth for 100-200."

Would be cool.

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"Refreshes the duration for your regrowth effect. If Rejuvenation is on the target, they gain rage/energy/mana/runic power. If Lifebloom is on the target, heal for 20% extra. If Wild Growth is on the target, heal all nearby targets with Wild Growth for 100-200."

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This is interesting, but it is I think too complicated to have all that going on at once.

My random stab in the dark at it would be something like taking away the actual heal of nourish but causing it to do...something else. For instance

"Fortifies all of your current periodic healing spells and effects on the current target causing them to pulse for 250% of their normal amount on their next tick."

Not sure about the modifier of 250% there of course.

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I wish nourish wasn't just Flash Heal, because druids don't need a Flash Heal.

I think adding something like "Increases the duration of your HoTs on the target by 1.5 seconds" added to the spell would really open in for more use, especially in a prolonged heavy healing situation like Patchwerk 25 (where refreshing HoTs can be difficult due to spike damage needing direct healing).

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I think this will be the basis of glyph of nourish, when they get around to making it.

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I think you should take a harder look at Nourish. We received so much feedback on Nourish that I was sort of going along with the conventional wisdom that Nourish didn't fill a large enough role. Since then a few druids have set me straight. It can be a really amazing spell.

Glyphed Regrowth is also a really good spell, but it is still a hot -- it doesn't get the health out to the target as fast as Nourish.

If you're a big (glyphed) Healing Touch fan, then I can see how you might use it instead of Nourish, especially if you run heroics a lot (and so are filling all of the healing roles yourself). But if I was taking any button off of my bar for raiding, it would be HT and not Regrowth.

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I assume you mean, "it would be HT and not Nourish." No Resto Druid with a brain would take Regrowth off their bar =P

Nourish definitely has a niche, and it took me awhile of forcing myself into using it to find it. I still think that it should have its healing boosted by Wild Growth in addition to our other HoTs; that would make for an excellent combo, and I find myself wishing for it all the time.

Regrowth is a main heal, Nourish is a flash heal. I don't know that I would agree with your sources that it is an "amazing" spell, but it isn't useless.

Could you share the feedback from the few druids that think Nourish is good? Because from where I stand, in ToL Nourish costs marginally less than regrowth and heals for marginally less as well. And that does not all the side benefits of regrowth, such as NG procs and the HoT.

Even with 4 piece T7 it is still a marginal spell. And god help us if we ever break that bonus. Or are those druids referring to non-healing specced druids? I don't think anyone disagrees that Nourish is great if you don't have any healing talents. But with healing talents I simply see very little use for it, and the theorycrafting is on my side. And so far I have seen no respected druid step forward with actual math to support the usefulness of Nourish. I have, however, seen plenty of math to the contrary.

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I think you should take a harder look at Nourish. We received so much feedback on Nourish that I was sort of going along with the conventional wisdom that Nourish didn't fill a large enough role. Since then a few druids have set me straight. It can be a really amazing spell.

Glyphed Regrowth is also a really good spell, but it is still a hot -- it doesn't get the health out to the target as fast as Nourish.

If you're a big (glyphed) Healing Touch fan, then I can see how you might use it instead of Nourish, especially if you run heroics a lot (and so are filling all of the healing roles yourself). But if I was taking any button off of my bar for raiding, it would be HT and not Regrowth.

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The beauty of Nourish is its short cast time - that's all i'll say.

Edit: But with the arsenal of healing spells at my disposal i rarely use it. I so rarely use NS+HT macro, i consider Nourish a mini NS+HT.

In other words for OH SH*T moments i use Nourish.
For OH F*CK moments i use NS+HT macro.

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The beauty of Nourish is its short cast time - that's all i'll say.

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I am approaching 70% crit (not because I want to but because almost all druid Naxx loot has crit on it) on regrowth - unbuffed, raid buffed I am way over. When I chain crit I turret out 1.3s regrowths.

The only time I can see nourish being useful is on Loatheb when the spell I cast into the non-immunity crits and allows me to get an extra spell in to the three second window.

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I think you should take a harder look at Nourish. We received so much feedback on Nourish that I was sort of going along with the conventional wisdom that Nourish didn't fill a large enough role. Since then a few druids have set me straight. It can be a really amazing spell.

Glyphed Regrowth is also a really good spell, but it is still a hot -- it doesn't get the health out to the target as fast as Nourish.

If you're a big (glyphed) Healing Touch fan, then I can see how you might use it instead of Nourish, especially if you run heroics a lot (and so are filling all of the healing roles yourself). But if I was taking any button off of my bar for raiding, it would be HT and not Regrowth.

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Your statement about Regrowth is confusing. It's a direct heal with a HoT extra, not a HoT primarily. (or am i missing something?) It has amazing synergy with talents, an incredible glyph, and it definitely gets the job done.

Phaelia has done a lot of math on the direct healing spells for druids, over at resto4life. it Points out pretty clearly that in most cases, Regrowth is going to be the better choice.

Also why would you take HT off your bar? Nothing else packs the punch like HT, nothing. Certainly not Nourish. ><

i don't hate Nourish or anything, it's just not great. *shrug* It has it's place, but I have so many other great options that I haven't been able to work Nourish into regular use - nor do I need to.

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I am approaching 70% crit (not because I want to but because almost all druid Naxx loot has crit on it) on regrowth - unbuffed, raid buffed I am way over. When I chain crit I turret out 1.3s regrowths.

The only time I can see nourish being useful is on Loatheb when the spell I cast into the non-immunity crits and allows me to get an extra spell in to the three second window.

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I've only done Loatheb once - and pre casting Nourish + crit was the only way i can manage that fight, but like i said - i've only done it once.