Right now Unholy Death Knights are the only build of any class that instantly nerfs itself the instant you bring more than one to a group or to a raid.

I'm not talking about whether or not it's optimal to bring more than one.
I'm not even talking about whether or not it's a good idea to bring 2 prot warriors, or 2 MM hunters, etc etc.

What I'm referring to is that there is no case in any other class or build where a buff / debuff that they provide instantly prevents every other member of that class & build from fulfilling their full potential. None.

When there is more than one Unholy DK in a group or raid, whoever magically procs Ebon Plague first will do his normal DPS, his normal self heals, etc. Any other Unholy DK in that group or raid is instantly screwed over the very second that the first guy procs it.


1 - This is happening because Ebon Plague doesn't stack

2 - Why doesn't Ebon Plague stack? The assumption is that the debuff effects are too powerful to stack multiple times.

3 - The DK community agrees that the effects of the disease should not stack (IE: the magic debuff)

4 - The only thing the DK community is asking is: If I'm a Unholy DK on a raid, and I proc Ebon Plague, even if the debuff effects don't stack the disease should count towards my personal disease counters so that my strikes do full damage, my death strikes heal like normal, etc etc etc.


Possible solution? Have Ebon Plague land as a zero-effect disease when the target already has Ebon Plague with effects applied to it.



Please at least drop a line to simply say "we know it's an issue and we're working on it". That's all we're asking, for now. A few seconds of your time to acknowledge you've heard our plea would placate us for a while.

Thanks.

Their already planning to make you be able to have multiple of the debuff up without adding more effect in the next patch.

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Their already planning to make you be able to have multiple of the debuff up without adding more effect in the next patch.

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I'll admit I might suck at finding these things, but where have they announced this? It would make several people I know very happy.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13129080339&pageNo=1&sid=1#9

Was buried in the damage dealer forums.

Thanks! I haven't even looked into the Damage Dealer forums. That would be why I wouldn't have seen this:

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There are a few cases where classes or specs with the same debuff don't provide equal benefit to everyone. While we don't want the actual debuff to stack, we also don't want to penalize players for not having the benefit or get into a race for who can get the debuff up first. Unfortunately it's not a trivial problem to resolve or we already would have done so, but it is something we want to get fixed.

In the meantime, if your dps is suffering beyond what you can endure, you do have the option of going Blood or Frost.

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Zip timetable in her response, though. No hint that it'll be the next patch, or even a patch over the next few months. It's nice to know that they're working on it... sucks that I'll be doing 10-mans very soon with another UDK, me as a tank her as a DPS. Both of us love our spec. I've tried Frost & Blood and didn't enjoy either one nearly as much as I do Unholy. Same with her. So... yeah, that's a crappy work-around GC.

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We are aware of a few cases in which this is happening. While we don't want the debuff to stack, we don't want anyone to get cheesed out of their disease multipliers either. We'll fix it.

In the mean time, maybe people will actually try the other two DK trees. :)

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I've been frost since day one and intend to stay that way unless something majorly changes :)

Unholy is the best leveling tree by a huge margin due to movement speed, AE, and the permapet, and players aren't all 80 yet, particularly DK players. Frost is pretty great. As you know blood needs work.

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We are aware of a few cases in which this is happening. While we don't want the debuff to stack, we don't want anyone to get cheesed out of their disease multipliers either. We'll fix it.

In the mean time, maybe people will actually try the other two DK trees. :)

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You see, blue said they want to leave the ebon plague issue in just because there's not enough blood and frost DKs.... I'm just kidding but you know that will get misquote at some point :)

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Right now Unholy Death Knights are the only build of any class that instantly nerfs itself the instant you bring more than one to a group or to a raid.

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Not that your DK point isn't valid, but this is untrue. The same is true of Discipline priests since they derive a large degree of their potency from PW:S, which because of the debuff means only one of them can get the benefit when healing tanks. Discipline priests also have the dubious honour of also being nerfed by having any other priest in the raid, if the other priests decide to use their PW:S.

Good times! Good luck with your Ebon Plague problem though.

I've been a fropst knighjt sincxew beta, but I'm looking forward to the bvl;ood changhes so I can give that spewc a run!@ :D

also - typing with gloves on because it's colder than a polar bear's behind in my lab is really, really hard.

Let me try that again

I've been a frost knight since beta, but I'm looking forward to the blood changes so I can give that spec a run! :D

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We are aware of a few cases in which this is happening. While we don't want the debuff to stack, we don't want anyone to get cheesed out of their disease multipliers either. We'll fix it.

In the mean time, maybe people will actually try the other two DK trees. :)

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This is not the only effect that only works for one player with that spec.
Affliction has a similar problem with death's embrace only working for one warlock, and the effect on that aff'lock's DPS is probably similar.

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Q u o t e:
We are aware of a few cases in which this is happening. While we don't want the debuff to stack, we don't want anyone to get cheesed out of their disease multipliers either. We'll fix it.

In the mean time, maybe people will actually try the other two DK trees. :)

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Does this mean that FFF will generate threat/damage when I run with a boomkin?

Edit: Or less selfishly, with the second boomkin that wants her 3% crit chance bonus too.

there is currently still a bug with shadow embrace that nerfs one affliction warlocks damage by 10% as well. I'm not sure if this is intended but each fight is a race to who can hit the boss with haunt first.

edit** sorry I see somebody mentioned the same bug as me earlier in the thread.

In the meantime, has anybody tested whether you can have 2 unholy DKs -- one with Ebon Plague and the other with Crypt Fever? Not taking Ebon Plague only means you don't get a 3% improvement to your crit rate, so for personal DPS I think those points can probably be spent elsewhere (bladed armor?) for additional utility or DPS. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems like it could work.

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We are aware of a few cases in which this is happening. While we don't want the debuff to stack, we don't want anyone to get cheesed out of their disease multipliers either. We'll fix it.

In the mean time, maybe people will actually try the other two DK trees. :)

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It's time to go frost, today!

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I've been frost since day one and intend to stay that way unless something majorly changes :)

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Wait... so what about Icy Talons not stacking with anyone? sounds like 5 points down the drain to me...

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What I'm referring to is that there is no case in any other class or build where a buff / debuff that they provide instantly prevents every other member of that class & build from fulfilling their full potential. None.

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This is not the only effect that only works for one player with that spec.
Affliction has a similar problem with death's embrace only working for one warlock, and the effect on that aff'lock's DPS is probably similar.

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^^^^^^^^

This!