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If there are three HaT rogues in your group, and someone scores a critical hit, you get three combo points for it.

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If this is the case, then yes, it's a bug. However, that's not what I was referring to. The person said that if Rogue A does a Hemo crit, that Rogue B and C get a CP. Then complained that Rogue A also got a CP for the crit. That's not a bug. That's what is described in the tool tip. When ANYONE in the group crits, HaT with proc a CP. So if Rogue A has a Hemo crit, that's 2 CP. One for the Hemo and one from HaT.

"ZOMG FIXZ HAT NAO!1@!"






Fix us

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It doesnt really need to be nerfed. It still wont out dps a good hunter.

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I babble fished this and I got back "I'm a idiot"

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If this is the case, then yes, it's a bug. However, that's not what I was referring to. The person said that if Rogue A does a Hemo crit, that Rogue B and C get a CP. Then complained that Rogue A also got a CP for the crit. That's not a bug. That's what is described in the tool tip. When ANYONE in the group crits, HaT with proc a CP. So if Rogue A has a Hemo crit, that's 2 CP. One for the Hemo and one from HaT.

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That's correct, but what IS happening, is Rogue A is critting, rogues A, B and C are getting 3 combo points, because there are 3 rogues in the group. Does that make sense to you?

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That's correct, but what IS happening, is Rogue A is critting, rogues A, B and C are getting 3 combo points, because there are 3 rogues in the group. Does that make sense to you?

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When you say 3 combo points, is that 3 total (one per rogue) or 9 total (3 per rogue)? If it's the latter, then yes, that is a nasty bug. Is there evidence of this or has it been duplicated and confirmed by multiple sources?

Put it this way, i get so many combo points from Hat Spec, that i could 5pt Eviscerate twice a second if there was no global cooldown. If there was no global cooldown pretty sure i could do 9-10k DPS. Id call that a pretty nasty bug.

well said from a class that gets 5k tanking in bear form while pushing 1 button umm yea if you think its broken read the thing again it does what it says it does its not worded wrong or anything so lrn2 read

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But they have to use their skill to do it, and not get carried by group stacking.

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Skill? please do not use the word Skill in pve, also please stop complaining, who cares if its OP in PvE its not hurting you, infact it will make things easyer >< and this spec blows in pvp so you should prolly be happy more rogues will be speccing this......

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When you say 3 combo points, is that 3 total (one per rogue) or 9 total (3 per rogue)? If it's the latter, then yes, that is a nasty bug. Is there evidence of this or has it been duplicated and confirmed by multiple sources?

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if you have 3 rogues in a group all specced with HaT, if you crit a hemo you get 1 point for using hemo. one point because of HaT, then because of the bug you also get 2 more points from the other 2 rogues.

so if you crit a hemo, you get 4 combo points.

now if one of those rogues crits a hemo YOU gain 1 point for him critting as well as 2 additional points for the other 2 rogues.

so if a group member crits you get 3 points from them.

so it equates to
1 rogue = 5 combo points per second
2 rogues = 10 combo points per second
3 rogues = 15 combo points per second
4 rogues = 20 combo points per second
5 rogues = 25 combo points per second

that is assuming everyone crits at the same time.

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This.

Whats wrong with a spec that has great PvE dps, but cant be abused in PvP?

Nothing is wrong with it, your just crying for no reason.

But dont worry kid, it will get fixed.

Its amazing that while ALLLLL the testing that was going on, there were never two HaT rogues in one group. Even testers stayed away from this spec >.>;

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You do realize that Beast Mastery was exactly that, right? Great PvE dps, terrible at PvP because pets have 9k hp and 0 resilience.

Whoa!

Thank you so much GC for acknowledging this. I've been very distraught.

I know there are many immature people on these forums, but I do believe stating the obvious things such as:

"Rogues should be doing the highest DPS on fights with no gimmicks"

and

"If they aren't we will look into it"

and

"We know of the bug. We will fix it and look into the reports of low damage as well"

You said all these things in this post, and even though you technically have said absolutely nothing, you've said more than enough. I'm not saying you should say "We are looking into it" every time someone so much as sneezes as I suspect that only serves to make the trolls even more riled up. But I do believe issues that are seen as game breaking should receive posts like the one you've made here.

Simply put, the trolls and chronic QQer's will always do what they do. But even if you don't believe me, know that these posts really do reassure all the level headed people to no end. I for one have made many many posts on the issue. If you remember, I made the post that you announce the Fan of Knives change in. After that, I dropped the issue forever.

And with this post, I rest assured that if something is wrong you will fix it. IF something is wrong. Don't let the trolls bother ya.

GC, there are multiple threads on this forum and in the Rogue forum showing Rogues not exploiting the HAT bug 1000-2000DPS behind all other DPS classes on Patchwerk.. There are many, many of these WWS parses. Is there somewhere we could send them to be collected?

The evidence has been around for weeks. Blue has been inactive on the issue. Prior to HAT, no one was taking any Rogues except to exploit the OTHER bug (Master Poisoner). The class is completely broken in PvE content right now.

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Rogues should be doing very high dps if not the highest dps for some fights. If that isn't happening we will buff them (ideally in a way that does not inflate their PvP damage potential).

There is a known bug with Honor Among Thieves were multiple rogues with the ability in one group generate too many combo points. It isn't our intent that this bug make up any PvE dps deficiency.

A similar bug was mentioned months ago where only one rogue in a group would receive combo points frequently if other people in the group received a lot of crits. This is working as intended as far as we can tell.

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GC, I think HAT is probably the best way to fix Rogues in PvE while keeping PvP in check. Any other buff will somehow manage to transfer over into an area where, in anything, Rogues need massive nerfs (20k damage in 1 second anyone?).