if i spec my pet into tanking, and spec into the tanking tallents in BM, my pet still has 0 defense, why is there no way to get hunter pets defense capped!


pets are a worthless tank if they have no defense so why even have bothered making the tree in the first place?

Because pets can be a good source of damage, and if you think hunters should be able to tank as well as use every bloody piece of gear out there, gtfo these forums and roll a druid.

You can get +40% to all healing done to the pet, can't you? That probably balances out the moderate chance to be crit.

Soon hunters might even ask for pets to wear armor pieces!

"WHAT?! MY PET CAN'T TANK ARTHAS?!@!213?"

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Honestly, would you trade being able to be one shot for some extra healing?

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The number of times you legitimately could get one shot by taking a crit are fairly low. I'm talking about actually going from 100%->0 in one blow. So, yes, I would. And 40% is hardly "some" healing. That's like bringing 2 extra healers to a 25 man raid. The benefit provided by that much extra healing is significant.

The 40% for crit immune would be very bad. You may not get one shot, and 40% is a lot, but crit immune isn't just for one shot. it's for not being topped off, maybe at 90% and taking a big hit, or 3 crits in a row. Murphy's law, @#*@ happens.

Also to op, hunter pets tanking was intended for things like group quests or off tanking. The day you see a hunter pet main tanking, there is something very wrong.

i like better pet threat :D

It there ever comes a day where a Hunters bear is better than my Bear...I can see it now "Sorry Mr druid we have a hunter tank we have no need for your bear"..in all honesty thats been said already to me. Sometimes I really hate pugs.

Pets are plenty-capable tanks if the group supports them.
There's even an entire blog dedicated to capturing pet-main-tank instances.
http://bigredrhino.wordpress.com/

(No, I am not affiliated with them, but do subscribe to their feed)
If your healers and other groupmates are willing, there's nothing wrong with tanking. May be a bit different than usual raid DPS, and they are only really feasible for 5-mans usually, but there's nothing Stopping your pet from tanking if you do it properly.

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We have heard some reports of hunter pets tanking say Nexus, which doesn't have a lot of movement required of the tank.

Really though, as others have suggested, the goal is more for them to be able to OT large pulls or group quests.

Now pet threat generation (Voidwalkers too) is something we are looking at right now.

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please please please if you do this make it so the tank in the group can shut off the taunt, most hunters don't even know how too....

Honestly i really dont want to see pets tanking everything.

Years ago in eq1 on my server there was a group of mages(pet casters, not a formal guild) that used to find a healer or 2 and raid zones using only thier pets to tank it was pretty funny but kinda showed the imbalance of having pets able to simply replace tanks.

Not turning off Taunt/Growl is an irresponsible hunter issue. I always reset my pet, and typically change pets, before doing any 5 man/raiding instances, depending on what I was doing beforehand. To me, that's common courtesy. I even do that before some group quests, depending on what pet I have with me.

Unfortunately, its just one of those things that not everyone thinks about, because of the nature of some pugs, and the nature of some hunters. "Oh, they're the tank, they should be able to out aggro my pet" when things like Swipe and Thunderstomp are huge aggro generators, and very spikey, based on CDs, etc.

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if i spec my pet into tanking, and spec into the tanking tallents in BM, my pet still has 0 defense, why is there no way to get hunter pets defense capped!


pets are a worthless tank if they have no defense so why even have bothered making the tree in the first place?

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Grace of the Mantis.

Sure, it isn't quite defense capped (still a 1% chance to be crit by a same level mob and a 1.6% chance to be crit by a raid boss), but it's a lot closer than pets used to be able to get (and a far cry from your claim of "0" defence).

Also consider Blood of the Rhino's +40% healing and Spirit Bond for another +10%, and you're talking some serious bonuses to incoming heals that no other tank can match.

If you want them to make a change to help with pet tanking, ask them to take the cast time off Eyes of the Beast so that a hunter actually has some chance of handling positioning fights with their pet on stay. (Oh, and having GotM reduce the chance to be dazed the way Survival of the Fittest does would also be handy).

I can verify I've tanked a few WoTLK dungeons(such as Old Kingdom and Violet Hold) with a gorilla pet when I was BM spec'd. Also tanked that new ring of blood series of events with the pet. The hardest part is usually convincing your party members to let you do it.

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Q u o t e:
We have heard some reports of hunter pets tanking say Nexus, which doesn't have a lot of movement required of the tank.

Really though, as others have suggested, the goal is more for them to be able to OT large pulls or group quests.

Now pet threat generation (Voidwalkers too) is something we are looking at right now.

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One thing that might help here is to fix the bugs w/ Growl and Cower. I've been watching my pet's spell book while leveling my hunter alt (70 BM spec, just started in wrath content) and have noticed that cower likes to randomly turn on auto-cast and activate. This is a bit annoying when trying to solo as it causes me to pull aggro frequently. In addition to that, Growl will never cast, even though it is set to auto-cast. I haven't done anything in groups on this toon since I brought her out of retirement, so I don't know if growl will randomly turn back on, but the fact that cower doesn't like to be off and growl simply doesn't activate makes my pet's aggro very spiky. Please look into this.

Thanks for taking the time to read through all the forums and listen to/respond to all of our concerns.

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We have heard some reports of hunter pets tanking say Nexus, which doesn't have a lot of movement required of the tank.

Really though, as others have suggested, the goal is more for them to be able to OT large pulls or group quests.

Now pet threat generation (Voidwalkers too) is something we are looking at right now.

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Thank god, the VW was so useless trying to tank elites for small group quests. If I couldn't tank it myself the VW had no chance either. I shouldn't have to spec demo for occasional pet use as a tank. HE also seems squishy, at least while leveling. Now that I am 80 I probably won't seem him again until the next expac when we have to level to 90.

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Q u o t e:
We have heard some reports of hunter pets tanking say Nexus, which doesn't have a lot of movement required of the tank.

Really though, as others have suggested, the goal is more for them to be able to OT large pulls or group quests.

Now pet threat generation (Voidwalkers too) is something we are looking at right now.

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How are you looking at Voidwakers? I want you to honestly tell me whats everyone beef with them since you brought it up, do you even know about Voidwalker history vs hunter pet history?

I did not read every post here i only read the blue post if you are thinking about buffing the blueberry than you make warlocks a little bit happy, if you thinking about nerfing the blueberry than you will have more angry warlocks than befor.