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When the sh*t is hitting the fan (the only time that counts), no healer has time to check whether a HoT is running on someone who has taken damage. I am not sure why any dev thinks that any healer has time to scan the buffs running on someone during an intense fight to determine whether or not a HoT is active AND to decide whether that HoT is sufficient to heal that person up.

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why can't you just use a regrowth, then switch to nourish in emergencies? i always though regrowth was more like an emergency heal. mana inefficient, but good for a quick heal. if you need to continue to heal switch to nourish for a more efficient quick heal.

arenas haven't started but i predict that nourish is the heal spell that will make resto druids more viable in 5's. it's cheap fast efficient and can handle the large damage that goes around in 5's. it's a good quick heal that can also be spammed for sustained periods of times which is exactly what is required in 5's.

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There are plenty of druids topping healing meters.

I think where the problem comes from sometimes is that you need healers who are good at working with hots. When someone has a hot on them, you have to be able to guess if that hot will heal the dude and if it can do it fast enough. Inexperienced healers sometimes stomp on hots, wasting the druid (or priest) mana and making sure that the hot-healer appears to have not contributed much.

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i lol'd at the "inexperienced healers" comment. i don't think most healers give a crap what hot is or isn't up. they wack-a-mole the damage anyway, experience or not.

i might do the same if i wasn't a druid and i had the mana to burn.

Yeah that HOT comment makes no sense. If you simply throw a rejuv on a guy at 80% and then leave him alone, there's a reasonably good chance that whatever he took damage from the first time will hit him again. HOTs aren't reactive if you ask me. Keeping people at 100% health is every healer's goal. HOTs are meant to keep people at full health in preparation for damage, not fix em up if they are at half health. Making good decisions based on who is GOING to take damage is what seperates great healers from average ones.

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There are plenty of druids topping healing meters.

I think where the problem comes from sometimes is that you need healers who are good at working with hots. When someone has a hot on them, you have to be able to guess if that hot will heal the dude and if it can do it fast enough. Inexperienced healers sometimes stomp on hots, wasting the druid (or priest) mana and making sure that the hot-healer appears to have not contributed much.

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GC this is a complete NON issue. a paladin with good gear WILL stomp over that hot EVERY SINGLE TIME and not run out of mana. The new divine please and replenishment with stacking INT has made holy paladins unOOMable. An experienced paladin will just FOL the target regardless if the HOT will fully heal the target or not. It's better to heal the target NOW than LATER (less risk of death). And they still will NOT go oom.

consider this.

^ Why would you want haste effecting hots.. that would be horrible.

Also, druids can top meters just as well as any class can. It'll vary by fight but there's no reason a druid can't. Anyone who claims different A) sucks, B) must raid with 1-6 other healers who have skill pouring out of their brains, or C) suck hard.

Besides all this, charts are pretty stupid. The only time I look at them is after the entire raid to see my healing breakdown on recount. Otherwise, what's the point?

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top the healing charts?

As someone who has always enjoyed healing, particularly on my Druid, I was perplexed by this statement. During a guild "meeting" the person in charge of the healers, who is also a Druid, said that Druids are only supposed to keep people topped of with Hots, and are not supposed to top the healing charts.

Personally, I pay attention to effective healing, and don't watch the charts; However, to make a statement such as this seems ridiculous.

I'm just looking for opinions, thanks :) I'd rather not be doing something wrong when I'm "beating" the other healers.

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The person in charge of your healers is an idiot. If they have a problem with you outperforming others (and not just sniping heals) then you need to find another guild.

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There are plenty of druids topping healing meters.

I think where the problem comes from sometimes is that you need healers who are good at working with hots. When someone has a hot on them, you have to be able to guess if that hot will heal the dude and if it can do it fast enough. Inexperienced healers sometimes stomp on hots, wasting the druid (or priest) mana and making sure that the hot-healer appears to have not contributed much.

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lol, i didn't think someone can suck so much to stomp on hots, lol

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There are plenty of druids topping healing meters.

I think where the problem comes from sometimes is that you need healers who are good at working with hots. When someone has a hot on them, you have to be able to guess if that hot will heal the dude and if it can do it fast enough. Inexperienced healers sometimes stomp on hots, wasting the druid (or priest) mana and making sure that the hot-healer appears to have not contributed much.

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Ya thats a nice theory and all.. Try to actually do this in a real encounter. On top of watching for AOE's, watching for diseases/magic debuffs, watching POM's, watching my own renews, watching health bars and healing, watching my mana and cooldowns and several other things I'm probably forgetting... you really think any healer is monitoring which HOTS from other people are ticking on which raiders and how long they have left on them?

I mean honestly.. And even if I really wanted to..you added smart healing to just about every raid healing spell in the game. So I dont even have control over it in most instances...

Its also not easy to set up a raid frame that will monitor all the other healers hots in such a way that it doesnt become insanely cluttered.. not that it would make much of a difference given that smart healing picks my targets for me...

Ive topped the meter every single Naxx 25 run my guilds done thusfar so I'm not sure where your having the problem...The fights in WoTLK so far have really favored us with so much AoE and mobility, but hell I topped it on patchwerk aswell which is neither of those things so...yea.

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There are plenty of druids topping healing meters.

I think where the problem comes from sometimes is that you need healers who are good at working with hots. When someone has a hot on them, you have to be able to guess if that hot will heal the dude and if it can do it fast enough. Inexperienced healers sometimes stomp on hots, wasting the druid (or priest) mana and making sure that the hot-healer appears to have not contributed much.

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However, every other class deals with direct and semi-direct healing, often to the tone of small side hots. the druid however from what i can see in Wrath is using a supportive base of hots with the extra support of direct healing, ex: regrowth, SM, Nourish. often hots are not enough as now LB has lost most of its utility, i often use it now to AoE heal, letting the blooms crit for 4.5-5.2k. as for druids not toping charts, sorry kids but your doing it wrong.

i was toping any healing chart in BC, and with the lowest over heal, i wasn't allowing my self to be limited by "class definitions." if paladins were only going to heal the tanks for 15k @ 0 mana cost then i would spend 9k mana to out do them and let my class mechanics of regen work for me.

as for the recent talk about changes to COS and WG, i will admit it changed by BC spell rotation quite a bit, however it was not 80-90% of my healing done as the case with the priests' COH, However entering wrath, we must remember that COH is an instant casted and instantly healing spell, where as WG has about 20-60% efficiency against a COH spam priest, ( as often with all hots ticking into over heal)

my suggestions: if your going to start throwing crit and haste on healing leather, make it actually do something, when you made LB, our auto attack of healing cost 60% more and heal 40% less, make hots able to crit per tick based on +% to crit. make our hots tick at a faster pace with + % Haste. just don't continue what you have done...

that is removing what makes druids unique, giving it to every one to "normalize" player style for other classes, and give us no buff that enhances the way our class mechanics work..

more feed back to follow upon my entry to 25naxx.

hopefully with new content patches, i can fall in love with my druid again, instead of seeing other classes using my spells, more efficiently than me

PS: thank you very much for removing the -walk speed, to many times has that clear cut forests. also take a look at threat, its becoming an issue for me, pulling of tanks and such in heroics and raids :(
clearly 30% is not enough

Earthin-

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why can't you just use a regrowth, then switch to nourish in emergencies? i always though regrowth was more like an emergency heal. mana inefficient, but good for a quick heal. if you need to continue to heal switch to nourish for a more efficient quick heal.

arenas haven't started but i predict that nourish is the heal spell that will make resto druids more viable in 5's. it's cheap fast efficient and can handle the large damage that goes around in 5's. it's a good quick heal that can also be spammed for sustained periods of times which is exactly what is required in 5's.

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In my experience, you should use regrowth and then switch to regrowth in emergencies. This button is unspeakably hawt.

I can't comment on nourish in pvp.

The ultimate healing meters are: Vertical Raid, Horizontal Boss [X]

There will be fights were druids top the meters, just as there are events where paladins will. And lots where shaman will. I don't worry about meters. With my gimped CoH I will be scrambling around filling the gaps and hoping the raid leader doesn't notice that I am just above the warlocks for healing done.



I'm just kidding. I look forward to the CoH nerf. I will be great ... being less effective.

Why do people keep saying that healing meters are a bad way of measuring healer performance? A smart healer can look at the meter for a fight and figure out almost exactly how everyone performed. Sorry if your raid leader is just bad and makes false conclusions.

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You might've mentioned something about the fact that healing meters are kind of a silly way of measuring healer performance. The healers in a raid, more than any other role, need to work as a team rather than a bunch of individuals competing for spots on a meter. The only real measure of the team's success is if people don't die to unavoidable damage, and are saved from avoidable damage deaths when it's feasible to do so.

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How else do you measure your performance for content that's on farm status?

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Why do people keep saying that healing meters are a bad way of measuring healer performance? A smart healer can look at the meter for a fight and figure out almost exactly how everyone performed. Sorry if your raid leader is just bad and makes false conclusions.

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So, you can tell how many PW:S a discipline priest cast and how much they absorbed, and whose lives they saved?

Sorry, meters don't track absorbed damage, and they most certainly don't track the WHEN of when the heal landed.

It was only recently that Prayer of Mending was able to be accurately added to healing meters. Guess what, it's almost 20% of my healing in some fights. In early TBC, what could you tell from a healing meter that didn't track that and showed the priest last?

What about the times I used Pain Suppression to save the raid's main tank during an enraged web wrap on 25-man Maexxna? You can't tell that from meters.

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How else do you measure your performance for content that's on farm status?

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Your assignments didn't die.

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Your assignments didn't die.

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"Farm status" was code for "content you're not going to screw up on".

DPS still has damage meters to track their progress with.

What about healers?

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There are plenty of druids topping healing meters.

I think where the problem comes from sometimes is that you need healers who are good at working with hots. When someone has a hot on them, you have to be able to guess if that hot will heal the dude and if it can do it fast enough. Inexperienced healers sometimes stomp on hots, wasting the druid (or priest) mana and making sure that the hot-healer appears to have not contributed much.

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Druids are dominating most of the fights.

Spank and tank fight, roll hots on tank(s) and spam nourish you win on healing meters.

If you get some aoe damage, you will finish second to CoH priest by using a mix of wild growth, lifebloom, rejuv and regrowth.

If you're into a fight with a lot of aoe damage, you will just kick everyone's ass. Regrowth when someone is lower then 70% HP, rejuv, lifebloom ,wildgrowth, etc. All your hots will tick and you will get the job done.

I dont think the issue is direct healer healing over our hots, its more druids not knowing whats next or foreseeing the fight. As an example, if you do trash, just keep a rejuv up on all the melee, they will take damage, they always do.

Druids are simply the best healer in game now, the art is subtle, but master by some.