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  • Frostmourne
  • 40. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 04:41:46 PM PST
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Q u o t e:
Just for fun I figured I would start this thread and see what people think. Where honestly I dont think that it effects his decisions as a Dev it would be interesting to know.

Ill start by saying my best guess is Rogue.

What do you think?


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  • Frostmourne
  • 41. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 04:51:12 PM PST
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Q u o t e:


So your argument is that he's deliberately not using player ideas because he thinks he knows better? That one person's knowledge somehow trumps that of thousands? Who is he to think that?

The state of balance in this game shows how well THAT is going.



I disagree I think he's listening too hard to the community and not enough to the facts and figures. The buffs and nerfs and redesigns of the last few patches have mirrored closely the popularly held biases of the player community often with little regard to the basic design of the game itself and many times in contradiction to game stats.

Players are intrinsically biased and a lead developer is treading on a very slippery slope when they try to please the masses.

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  • 42. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 04:57:36 PM PST
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After four years Is there anyone left who hasn't played every class?


Sup

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Characters I play:
Feerturdzdot - 72 Human Warlock - Kalecgos
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  • Blackwing Lair
  • 43. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:14:08 PM PST
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Definitely not a warlock. I'd be willing to bet my entire account that none of the devs have ever played a warlock past 50.


Guess you never heard about Kalgans OP warlock?
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  • 44. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:19:54 PM PST
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I honestly think Gc plays a Tank just not sure if it is a druid or a prot warrior.

I do think their is a Dev that plays a rogue who is most likely the only developer who spends a substantial amount of time pvping.

I also think the same about Deathknight this could indeed be the same Dev who plays a rogue and he could of very well stopped playing the rogue for the Deathknight.

However if any of the above is true I think the Gm's who play either class rogue/deathknight in a pvp setting should be fired for either sheer stupidity or pure bias toward buffing their own class to stupidly insane levels and spending too little time in a pve environment .

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  • 45. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:20:36 PM PST
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Guess you never heard about Kalgans OP warlock?


Do you have proof that he played a warlock, or are you merely assuming he did based on a couple months where warlock DoTs were actually capable of killing people?

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  • 46. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:26:19 PM PST
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Such as the change that has a Lead Class DEVELOPER posting dozens of times a week on these forums, speaking directly to the players about issues that affect all aspects of the game?

I meant no insult, but with all the ridiculous things I read on these forums, that one was so ass backwards that yeah, it's about as dumb of a statement as I've seen around here. Sorry, just calling it like I see it. Kinda like you did I guess.


Maybe he plays forum troll because the other Devs feel that he is far to competent to interfere with their blatant stupidity.

Furthermore WTF happened to Kalgan does he still work for blizz ? I refuse to believe the pvp portion of this game could be so messed up if he is still the lead Dev.
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  • 48. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:30:03 PM PST
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I think he plays a Crab.

And he just spies on players as they do their quests on the shorelines.

What a creep.


I have gone out of my way to kill every Red crab I have seen since the release of Wotlk , I half expect a lvl 82 elite crab to randomly pop up one day and go what now %*^#@ before it ganks me.
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  • 49. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:30:09 PM PST
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Boomkin Druid. Forgot who I heard that from but it was credible. Perhaps he respecc'd but it's definitely a druid.

LOL at people thinking it's a rogue.
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  • 50. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:33:36 PM PST
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I disagree I think he's listening too hard to the community and not enough to the facts and figures. The buffs and nerfs and redesigns of the last few patches have mirrored closely the popularly held biases of the player community often with little regard to the basic design of the game itself and many times in contradiction to game stats.


No, if anything the reverse is true. But you have to remember that sometimes the community keeps bringing something up because it's right.

I made the comment in the beta forums once (which ended up sounding more condescening than I intended) that some players were treating the forums as a deli, ordering up changes to their class, and then getting upset when we didn't go implement those changes. That's not really why we're here. Here is what I get out of the forums:

-- Understanding where players are having problems.
-- Understanding when players are confused about something.
-- Understanding what's fun and not fun.
-- Catching the occasional bug.

The forums are typically not a great source of solutions, though it does happen. That's not meant to disparage the people who post here. Just like WoW has an art style, it has a design style and sometimes the solutions offered just don't mesh. (Other times they are technically difficult.)

The forums are also not great at detecting problems. They are great at detecting *potential* problems and that's a big difference. You get a lot of false positives. If we see a lot of players complaining about the same issue (and I mean a lot of players, not the same few players starting multiple threads) then we usually will look into it. Looking into it involves a lot of discussion, a lot of data mining, and perhaps some test cases. We bounce ideas and solutions off of a lot of people internally, and people whose opinions we trust (typically because they are expert players) outside of the company. I can't think of any cases where we just took a player's word for it and just made a change because of a QQ. That is pretty easy to prove to yourself if you just examine the ratio of requests (often demands) for change to actual implemented changes.

But sometimes players are right too. Never discount that. Sometimes players are right even if all of your data suggest otherwise. One of the trickier talents for a good game designer to master is knowing when that is happening.
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  • Haomarush
  • 51. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:34:33 PM PST
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No, if anything the reverse is true. But you have to remember that sometimes the community keeps bringing something up because it's right.

I made the comment in the beta forums once (which ended up sounding more condescening than I intended) that some players were treating the forums as a deli, ordering up changes to their class, and then getting upset when we didn't go implement those changes. That's not really why we're here. Here is what I get out of the forums:

-- Understanding where players are having problems.
-- Understanding when players are confused about something.
-- Understanding what's fun and not fun.
-- Catching the occasional bug.

The forums are typically not a great source of solutions, though it does happen. That's not meant to disparage the people who post here. Just like WoW has an art style, it has a design style and sometimes the solutions offered just don't mesh. (Other times they are technically difficult.)

The forums are also not great at detecting problems. They are great at detecting *potential* problems and that's a big difference. You get a lot of false positives. If we see a lot of players complaining about the same issue (and I mean a lot of players, not the same few players starting multiple threads) then we usually will look into it. Looking into it involves a lot of discussion, a lot of data mining, and perhaps some test cases. We bounce ideas and solutions off of a lot of people internally, and people whose opinions we trust (typically because they are expert players) outside of the company. I can't think of any cases where we just took a player's word for it and just made a change because of a QQ. That is pretty easy to prove to yourself if you just examine the ratio of requests (often demands) for change to actual implemented changes.

But sometimes players are right too. Never discount that. Sometimes players are right even if all of your data suggest otherwise. One of the trickier talents for a good game designer to master is knowing when that is happening.

First

Just curious, does that mean when a thread gets a lot of posts/multiple threads appear about the same issue each with multiple posts, they are more likely to grab your attention?

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  • Smolderthorn
  • 52. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:34:38 PM PST
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Hunter with a pet crab!
Drood
Paladin

EDIT: Second? Does it really matter?

And thanks for the post GC.

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  • 53. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:35:01 PM PST
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he healed on a druid
im gonna go with hunter + crab pet ( orc male with a mohawk)
and prot warrior on the side (UD with a missing jaw)

thats my two cents as well as a guess for classes and hairstyles =p

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  • 54. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:35:12 PM PST
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so mean

"I read all of the threads in the role forums and I'm not the only Blizzard employee doing so. You shouldn't assume that it takes a blue response to know that we have seen your post." - GC
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  • 55. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:35:54 PM PST
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How do you come into contact with "expert players," out of curiosity?

Secretly, I'm Calsifer the mage :D
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  • 56. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:41:37 PM PST
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Q u o t e:

First

Just curious, does that mean when a thread gets a lot of posts/multiple threads appear about the same issue each with multiple posts, they are more likely to grab your attention?


like he is not going to read something that became 2000000 pages long .... out of curiosity anyway..... even if the first 10000 pages are 2 word posts with no meaning.
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  • 57. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:42:51 PM PST
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If we see a lot of players complaining about the same issue (and I mean a lot of players, not the same few players starting multiple threads) then we usually will look into it.


Tell me another one. Seriously you cannot say something like that with a Shaman around, and not expect it to be refuted. Unless 'look into it' means 'post a nebulous blue reply to the worst post on the forums that talks about the issue while never entering discussion with people who are coherent and complete in their complaints, then do jack squat'.

"I think you'll stay." We stayed. For what? To still be rolled in PVP by every class and be the most underpowered DPS in the game. Thanks?
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  • 58. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:43:47 PM PST
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But sometimes players are right too. Never discount that. Sometimes players are right even if all of your data suggest otherwise. One of the trickier talents for a good game designer to master is knowing when that is happening.


I know you have heard the idea of hiring more game designers I know you think it has its downsides and i will not argue that it does but it is well worth it if having twice designers leads to twice the chance of a developer having that little lightbulb in his/her head turn on and go wait a minute this player has a point.

I mean honestly when you see a issue you cannot just assume it is not true because their is not 2500+ players complaining about the issue , most people who post on these forums are too dumb too notice real issues and will take the first issue they see in a post and run with it.

Simply put the more developers testing potential issues means that more potential issues are going to be fixed at a faster rate.

If fixes cause other issues those issues will be fixed , it is far better for a random class to have a new issue every week than it is for 1 class to have the same issues for 6 months would you not agree ?
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  • 59. Re: What class do you think GC plays?   12/03/2008 05:46:05 PM PST
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Tell me another one. Seriously you cannot say something like that with a Shaman around, and not expect it to be refuted. Unless 'look into it' means 'post a nebulous blue reply to the worst post on the forums that talks about the issue while never entering discussion with people who are coherent and complete in their complaints, then do jack squat'.

"I think you'll stay." We stayed. For what? To still be rolled in PVP by every class and be the most underpowered DPS in the game. Thanks?


I see this quite often too problems that have been posted a million times and the developer chooses too pick the most retarded incoherent post and give a retarded answer bashing the moron who posted it for how they posted it. instead of responding to one of the many well thought out and well written posts on the same matter.
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