Buff combat, I don't have the attention spam to maintain the HfB bullcrap.

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GC said that the new pve raid spec was assassination, and that it was out performing combat . They were fine with this. Since at least rogue had one viable raid spec before raiding began.

HOWEVER
The truth no one at Blizzard can deny.

TIll today a major bug was discovered that gave assassination 15% more crit was discovered. Meaning that while the numbers were being crunch for raid spec mutilate rogues, they calculated and balance around rogues having 15% crit they no longer have. Meaning assassination rogues were design in Wotlk with the assume 15% crit increase they don't really have.

BLIZZ HOTFIX this issue. Either give rogues a passive 15% buff increase now or the ROGUE CLASS as dps is in danger of putting up dps sub par (this is exactly what real pve raid numbers tell us) So those rogues who were always #1 will now be at best #5

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So...you had a buggy talent...the bug was fixed...now you want the buggy effect made baseline?

...only from a rogue I guess...

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So...you had a buggy talent...the bug was fixed...now you want the buggy effect made baseline?

...only from a rogue I guess...

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He is saying the buggy talent is what made assassination viable in PvE. With the bug fixed the tree no longer provides viable raid DPS. I'm not mutilate so I can't speak to whether the damage actually dropped or not. If it has this is an issue as Blizzard has stated that assassination is meant to be the new dominant Rogue PvE tree.

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So...you had a buggy talent...the bug was fixed...now you want the buggy effect made baseline?

...only from a rogue I guess...

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No, what I want is for Blizzard to test our dps without this buggy talent. I'm not sure how Blizz goes about testing I'm assuming they test a spec by selecting all the talents they assume we are going to pick up then goign at it on a raid boss and seeing exactly how much dps we are outputing.

If this is true then when Blizz tested out rogues, they tested us when we had this bug in our talents that gave us an extra insane amount of crit 12% to be exact. So when they determine ok lower there damage by this much it was done when we had that 12% extra crit. In reality we DON"T have that much extra crit, so common sense would tell you we were calibrated wrong.

If what I'm saying is true this explains why they figured ok lets just NOT touch combat and let them raid as assassination, because that spec puts out more then enough dps. But in reality it does NOT it does just as much dps as combat.

Combat dps is low .

SEE IN THIS WORLD WOMAN LIE MEN LIE PEOPLE IN GENERAL LIE , BUT THE NUMBERS DON'T.

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Buff combat, I don't have the attention spam to maintain the HfB bullcrap.

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HfB is horribly un-fun in a raid environment. If blizz is gunna design a "baby sitter" spec, it should be the greatest DPS ever seen in the history of Azeroth. However, it isnt. Whoever thought up that piece of crap 90 energy, 3 GCD, 3 stack 30 second mechanic should forced to play it. forever.

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No, what I want is for Blizzard to test our dps without this buggy talent. I'm not sure how Blizz goes about testing I'm assuming they test a spec by selecting all the talents they assume we are going to pick up then goign at it on a raid boss and seeing exactly how much dps we are outputing.

If this is true then when Blizz tested out rogues, they tested us when we had this bug in our talents that gave us an extra insane amount of crit 12% to be exact. So when they determine ok lower there damage by this much it was done when we had that 12% extra crit. In reality we DON"T have that much extra crit, so common sense would tell you we were calibrated wrong.

If what I'm saying is true this explains why they figured ok lets just NOT touch combat and let them raid as assassination, because that spec puts out more then enough dps. But in reality it does NOT it does just as much dps as combat.

Combat dps is low .

SEE IN THIS WORLD WOMAN LIE MEN LIE PEOPLE IN GENERAL LIE , BUT THE NUMBERS DON'T.

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This is also from you

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BLIZZ HOTFIX this issue. Either give rogues a passive 15% buff increase now or the ROGUE CLASS as dps is in danger of putting up dps sub par (this is exactly what real pve raid numbers tell us) So those rogues who were always #1 will now be at best #5

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I have no issue with rogues viable, especially if it was based on a buggy talent (you do not know this, you can only assume, could have easily been on a fix it list by bliz, while their end did not have the bug in place). But you specifically asked for the buggy aspect of the talent baseline.

I seriously doubt Bliz completely overlooked this bug...and even if they did, I doubt they would simply leave it alone if their (not your, or any other non-bliz employee) numbers indicate rogues are lacking.

And you even had the nerve to ask for it Hotfixed too....

Like I said, only from a rogue

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He is saying the buggy talent is what made assassination viable in PvE. With the bug fixed the tree no longer provides viable raid DPS. I'm not mutilate so I can't speak to whether the damage actually dropped or not. If it has this is an issue as Blizzard has stated that assassination is meant to be the new dominant Rogue PvE tree.

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Thank you someone smart enough to understand what I'm saying.

Maybe you should create a post and explain this cause I seem to have failed.

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This is also from you


I have no issue with rogues viable, especially if it was based on a buggy talent (you do not know this, you can only assume, could have easily been on a fix it list by bliz, while their end did not have the bug in place). But you specifically asked for the buggy aspect of the talent baseline.

I seriously doubt Bliz completely overlooked this bug...and even if they did, I doubt they would simply leave it alone if their (not your, or any other non-bliz employee) numbers indicate rogues are lacking.

And you even had the nerve to ask for it Hotfixed too....

Like I said, only from a rogue

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I usually am a nice person but when people try to make other look bad when they are totally wrong I must step down to their level.

You are to dumb to understand that if what I'm saying is true, which I AGREE MIGHT NOT that would be the only way to fix it. Give us what they calculated us as having when they deemed us as just the right dps. In order for us to stay at just the right dps.

SImply put if when they tested we had 12% crit we no longer have and our dps was perfect.

To get us to perfect dps in theory they would have to give us back that crit.

What's wrong with being #5, so long as you're only behind other pure classes and not by much?

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What's wrong with being #5, so long as you're only behind other pure classes and not by much?

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Honestly nothing would be wrong with being # 5 if we had a skill like bloodlust or maybe blessing of whatever and our melee return mana. But as it stands all we bring to the table is dps. So ask your self this question would a pally with no utitly that is the lowest dps get a raid spot?

If you are unaware of the answer look back a couple years at the state of ret and you have yourself an answer.

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I usually am a nice person but when people try to make other look bad when they are totally wrong I must step down to their level.

You are to dumb to understand that if what I'm saying is true, which I AGREE MIGHT NOT that would be the only way to fix it. Give us what they calculated us as having when they deemed us as just the right dps. In order for us to stay at just the right dps.

SImply put if when they tested we had 12% crit we no longer have and our dps was perfect.

To get us to perfect dps in theory they would have to give us back that crit.

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Or give you the equivalent in Hit, Expertise, ArPen, Baseline DPS, etc...oh wait...it must be crit, nevermind.

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We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

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This is good to hear. :-)

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We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

We don't think fixing the Master Poisoner bug is cause to give rogues a huge buff however. The issue is a little more complex than it is being portrayed in this thread.

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Thank you GC. My intention was not to solve the problem but just to bring to spot light the complexity of the issue by showing through the use of hyberbole language possible solutions.

I'm now satisfy that Blizzard is aware of our dps problem and is working on fixing it.

P.S To that rogue and others who tried making me look like an idiot and flame me so I would give up hope, thanks for failing.

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We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

We don't think fixing the Master Poisoner bug is cause to give rogues a huge buff however. The issue is a little more complex than it is being portrayed in this thread.

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Very good news. I'm finding it very difficult to compete in Naxx. Our rogues used to be in the top3 easily, and now we are straining to crack the top5. Bumping our dps while making us not OP in PVP is no easy task I'm sure. But a number of well known rogues have asked about glancing blows as a way to bump our DPS without affecting PVP. Has this been looked at? Is there a technical reason why this is not easy to implement?

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We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

We don't think fixing the Master Poisoner bug is cause to give rogues a huge buff however. The issue is a little more complex than it is being portrayed in this thread.

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Thank you!

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We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

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And their PvP performance too. RE: Runestrike and IBF nerfs.

Thank you GC, I'm glad Rogue PvE is being looked at.

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We are taking a hard look at rogue PvE performance right now.

We don't think fixing the Master Poisoner bug is cause to give rogues a huge buff however. The issue is a little more complex than it is being portrayed in this thread.

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Thank you!

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QFE =)

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HfB is horribly un-fun in a raid environment. If blizz is gunna design a "baby sitter" spec, it should be the greatest DPS ever seen in the history of Azeroth. However, it isnt. Whoever thought up that piece of crap 90 energy, 3 GCD, 3 stack 30 second mechanic should forced to play it. forever.

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This, this, and more of this.

Sorry for the off-topic but feel free to fix HfB while you're in there. You've heard the argument before so there's no need to repeat it here. Rampage 2.0, etc.