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In what, 10 mans with two or three holy paladins?

That or your priests are terrible and are trying to use heals other than CoH.

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No i am Number 1 on both healing and overhealing charts. Both 10 mans and 25 mans, we have good priests, a good pally and some druids. The priest is usualy a phew % away from me.

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No i am Number 1 on both healing and overhealing charts. Both 10 mans and 25 mans, we have good priests, a good pally and some druids. The priest is usualy a phew % away from me.

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#1 on overhealing yes, but anything doing more effective healing than CoH at the moment in current AE heavy content is mathematically impossible, assuming equally skilled players and gear.

Explain to me how you can get a holy light to land as effective healing on anybody in a 25 man with 2-3 holy priests spamming CoH and PoM and healing 25 people to full faster than your cast bar can finish on your first target.

Of course unless you mean all your priests are Disc, then I could see being within a few %.

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Because you've cleared a wing of nax25...the achievement tab is wonderful for calling players on BS.

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If holy paladins are beating CoH priests in healing, esp in AE content, that would explain why it isn't cleared yet...

Oh I see, the only 25 man is Sartharion, a simple tank and spank with zero drakes, where maybe 1-2 additional people COULD possibly take 10k+ damage, one of the very few fights in the game where a holy paladin can /flex.

You'll be back singing the same tune as the rest of us when you can only do 5% of the total healing when you do Naxx-25 and Malygos-25.

Ok its like this...

I dont know what fights you guys do but, people arent usualy clumped up on bosses. I dotn know the range on CoH but it cant possibly hit the WHOLE raid! That would be impossible. With my holy light at 1.5 secs for 8-14k heals.... You can imagine thats allot of heals real quick. Second my judgement of light heals all players 450 dmg per hit( when those bosses aoe dmg). Third i am basicly the one healing the tank with my huge crits and beacon. So i cant see why you guys have such small beleif in a Holy Pally beating a Priest?

Woah Woah WOAH! 10K CoH???? LOL. My guild has a equiped priest, his CoH hits 3800 non crit......

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I think it's a bit premature to declare that Holy paladins (or any healer really) can't keep up. In situations where a paladin can really benefit from Beacon, it may in fact be hard for others to keep up, but that won't be every fight.

If you look at the guilds who are doing the (current) end game content, they are using a lot of Holy pallys and those guys never seem to run out of mana. So presumably there are plenty of situations where they really shine.

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Sartharion with zero drakes, and Patchwerk (tank and spanks with no more than 3 people taking 10k plus damage. That's about it, two encounters in the entire expansion. All other content is dominated by CoH/WG.

I really think the solution to a lot of our problems is to change the way Sacred Shield works.

If Blizz were to make it possible to sacred shield every member of a party, or maybe the raid (but let's not get crazy!), with one GCD, at double or triple or *or whatever *the mana cost,, that would help a ton.

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Again, clear nax25 (not trying to be elitist here, it gives perspective that nax10 doesn't) and then come back and tell us how wonderful they are. Sure WG/CH/CoH won't hit the WHOLE raid, but it's more than likely there are 5 people in range of it, especially on fights where you either coordinate where people stand (to a certain extent) or on fights where the quarters are small or the raid group is forced to be clumped up.

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I have a great reply to this. Il put this simple, Blizzard tries to even out healers! So this is why some fights i dominate some fights Priests do.

Im doing 25naxx tonight so il get back to ya on that!

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I think it's a bit premature to declare that Holy paladins (or any healer really) can't keep up. In situations where a paladin can really benefit from Beacon, it may in fact be hard for others to keep up, but that won't be every fight.

If you look at the guilds who are doing the (current) end game content, they are using a lot of Holy pallys and those guys never seem to run out of mana. So presumably there are plenty of situations where they really shine.

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This. Our guild our holy paladins routinely outheal every other healer by a rather wide margin. Why I, for example, have to stop casting to regen at times risking the safety of my group, Paladins don't have such worries. At least from what I've seen anyway.

Paladins are great MT healers. We had 2 on our raid last night (Naxx 25, Abom and Spider) and they did fine.

They weren't the top of the charts in healing, but that's OK... there can't be 2 number 1s (that'd be 11). They did their job, and had utility outside of just healing (remove diseases and such).

This isn't to say there is no reason to be concerned... Paladin healing could use some improvement (Resto shaman too!), but there is room on a raid for at least one Paladin of every spec, and 2 holy paladins won't have a negative impact on the raid...

Overall, I'd say you guys are fine... not great, but fine. As encounters get longer, Paladins as MT healers will really start to shine... once a fight that tests healer longevity arrives, Paladin healers will become an important part of the game.

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Would be nice if priests didn't dominate almost every fight. There's maybe one fight per wing (not including frost wing, that's priest heaven) where paladins can COMPETE (notice I said compete, not dominate as priests especially but also druids/shaman do) with the AoE healing classes.

Seriously though, first time we ran nax10 we did it with 3 healers and every time after that holy paladins in the group have been very competitive. But both of them have had problems coming close to the AoE healing classes (all but us).

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If all you look at are healing meters, you will get the wrong idea about your class...

A tank getting a 10k heal when he has 15k health is more important than 5 people getting 2k heals when they have 8k health. Both appear the same on the damage meters, but one heal was worth alot more.

Honestly, as long as you can beat an encounter with 1-3 holy paladins in the raid, they are fine. Don't worry about what other healers do... I wish I had the MT healing capabilities that Paladins have, but I don't have the single target throughput to get the job done (as effectively).