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Ghostcrawler

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0. Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:49:31 PM PST

We are making some upcoming changes to the Elemental shaman tree. Our goal was to streamline a few of the utility-based talents while giving shamans a little more damage scaling in later tiers of gear.

1) Unrelenting Storm – reduced from 5 points to 3 points. Bonus is 4/8/12% of your Intellect returned as mana.
2) Elemental Warding – now reduces all damage (not just Nature, Fire and Frost) taken by 2/4/6%
3) Elemental Shields – this talent has been removed, since its effects were combined with Elemental Warding.
4) Storm, Earth and Fire – reduced from 5 points to 3 points, but keeps around the same net benefit. In addition to current effects, also increases Wind Shock range. The damage bonus to Flame Shock has increased to 60% at 3 ranks. Storm, Earth and Fire has been moved up the tree as well.
5) Shamanism – this is a new 5 point talent in the old Storm, Earth and Fire position. Your Lightning Bolt and Lava Burst gain an additional percentage of your bonus damage. We have not finalized the numbers, but it will probably be something like 10% for Lightning Bolt and 20% for Lava Burst at max ranks.

These changes will be available in the next minor content patch, and are in addition to the AE changes mentioned previously.

Quiz

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Medivh

1. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:52:14 PM PST

Not to be cheeky, but do you realize that Elemental Shamans already have practically infinite mana? I'm being serious here.

Affix

Arena Tournament 1

3. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:52:27 PM PST

Anything to address Elemental Shaman mobility in arenas? Seems like a problem that simply won't be solved by anything here.

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Medivh

4. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:53:36 PM PST

Q u o t e:
Anything to address Elemental Shaman mobility in arenas? Seems like a problem that simply won't be solved by anything here.

I don't think they're really supposed to be mobile. I expect they want them to play more like Priests or Moonkins, who kind of just tank damage and rely on team mates to peel.

I'm not saying this is a good thing, by the way. The lack of mobility hurts my Shaman (who will hit 80 tonight hopefully).

Ricey

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Wildhammer

5. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:53:51 PM PST

Shamanism? Surely you can come up with a better name than that.

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Attlas

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Crushridge

6. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:54:38 PM PST

Nice, nice, but what about arenas?

[ Post edited by Attlas ]

Affix

Arena Tournament 1

7. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:54:56 PM PST

Q u o t e:

I don't think they're really supposed to be mobile. I expect they want them to play more like Priests or Moonkins, who kind of just tank damage and rely on team mates to peel.

I'm not saying this is a good thing, by the way. The lack of mobility hurts my Shaman (who will hit 80 tonight hopefully).

Moonkins are quite mobile... priests not so much, but they're significantly more durable than Shaman.

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Medivh

8. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:57:10 PM PST

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Moonkins are quite mobile... priests not so much, but they're significantly more durable than Shaman.

I should have explained better. Moonkins are pretty mobile when they're focusing on keeping themselves alive. You lose the Moonkin armor bonus at that point and rely on keeping yourself alive via HoTs without talent support and without Natural Perfection.

They're pseudo-mobile in that they have the tools to be mobile but it rarely works out that way for them.

Shamanizeds

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Eldre'Thalas

10. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:59:10 PM PST

Q u o t e:
Elemental Warding – now reduces all damage (not just Nature, Fire and Frost) taken by 2/4/6%
.

awww i liked the 10%

Azstaru

Khaz'goroth

11. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 04:59:50 PM PST

I LOVE YOU GC

Thanks so much WOOT

Drethun

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Gnomeregan

12. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:00:38 PM PST

/worship

:D!!!!!!!!
Christmas came early.

Edit:
Where is SE&F being moved to exactly?

[ Post edited by Drethun ]

Battledragon

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Thunderlord

13. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:01:03 PM PST

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Shamanism? Surely you can come up with a better name than that.

Right now I don't care if the spell/talent is called "Long live fluffy bunnies" as long as it helps with our scaling and damage problems.

Pizzapants

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Mannoroth

14. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:03:46 PM PST

this is great, thank you! i'm just happy to be getting a bit of our coefficient back with "shamanism".

don't really care about the threat or mana stuff ... neither are a problem with our class/spec.

but i don't want to sound ungrateful! these changes, along with the AE changes, are a step in the right direction. thanks again!

Burog

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Silvermoon

15. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:03:53 PM PST

This sounds like a good way to fix the scaling issues that have been reported, makes me happy.

Thanks. :)

Telkon

Laughing Skull

16. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:04:31 PM PST

Awesome.. great changes in the right direction.

Bloodriki

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Emerald Dream

17. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:05:03 PM PST

Q u o t e:

5) Shamanism – this is a new 5 point talent in the old Storm, Earth and Fire position. Your Lightning Bolt and Lava Burst gain an additional percentage of your bonus damage. We have not finalized the numbers, but it will probably be something like 10% for Lightning Bolt and 20% for Lava Burst at max ranks.

These changes will be available in the next minor content patch, and are in addition to the AE changes mentioned previously.

This fixes ele sham PVE, exactly what we wanted.
Thanks GC! (No sarcasm)

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Rellik

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Mannoroth

18. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:05:24 PM PST

Good stuff.

Scaling is nice, more mana is always a good thing, and increased utility to talents is always welcomed.

Hope you gets still keep working on the class in general though(Hex, Totems, Survivability).

Infinitevoid

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Silvermoon

19. Re: Upcoming Elemental Shaman changes 11/25/2008 05:10:05 PM PST

Great changes! Thanks to the dev team for taking the time to change the elemental tree, it looks great now. Looking forward to the patch.

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