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I have said we are addressing this issue. We hope to be able to have an announcement soon. In the meantime, I'm glad you're enjoying Lava Burst. It's a fun spell.

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I have faith in you

And the class is fun either way... id just like to contribute more than a pretty face in raids and a sexy voice on vent

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I have faith in you

And the class is fun either way... id just like to contribute more than a pretty face in raids and a sexy voice on vent

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Nothing he can do to the Shaman class will top THAT contribuition, sorry to say. ;)

Good to know that devs are working on it.
Elemental shamans deserve some help

Thanks GC, we're eagerly waiting for the changes :)

Will you also be announcing the adjustments to the elemental spec's AE contribution as well as scaling?

I am hap[py to see thy are addressing the issue but they need to adress the lvb/fs issue. Until they remove the auto crit of fs and allow proper haste and crit scaling there will be an issue. They also need to allow CC as good as loks,druids and mages and ae as well as them.

I am happy though after 4 MONTHS of constant showing the math they finally realize the emperor is naked.

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Thanks GC, we're eagerly waiting for the changes :)

Will you also be announcing the adjustments to the elemental spec's AE contribution as well as scaling?

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Yep, I can't wait to see what's going to happen next.

Anything to help us against melee in PvP?

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Lava burst / flameshock dynamic is the worst spell ever introduced. It guarantees that elemental shaman will never scale. It wrecks haste and crit and scales badly with spell power. be thankful blizzard dosen't want to wreck the very viable and scalable enhancement spec with this non scalable spell.

Because this spell isn't for you there will be 2 viable specs come t8 gear.

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What' are you talking about? Lava burst scales incredibly well with spell power.

It scales badly. It has awesome upfront damage. It will never scale with crit, its maxed. It is so over powering it will not let the rest of the rotation do substantial dps. It does such great damage you cannot delay it. This means haste cannot scale since it canno't be delayed. Haste becomes dead wait time.

Worse is this fixed rotation means you will need a phd to properly set up your rotation. It also means when you move you will lose alot more dps than classes that have small constant chunks. The whole dynamic is too fixed and difficult and has way to huge a payload for a fixed rotation. Fixed rotations are bad in any event unless all the spells scale well and aren't too diffrent in dps.

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In the meantime, I'm glad you're enjoying Lava Burst. It's a fun spell.

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I just wish Enhancement could get a bit more enjoyment from that spell.

Would it be so wrong to scale it's base damage down so that it did the same average damage as a Lightning Bolt, so that it could be added back onto Maelstrom Weapon, and then give back it's current damage to Elemental Shaman in a talent deep enough in their elemental tree so that it was not possible for an Enhancement Shaman to pick up?

I really love the spell's sounds and animations and just how it works but I am purely an Enhancement Shaman which means I really get barely any use from the spell and after playing with it for so long in the Beta....I really miss it.

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What' are you talking about? Lava burst scales incredibly well with spell power.

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So... how well does it scale with, say, Crit rating? Haste?

The additional damage you get from talents helps improve the overall performance of the spell, but it suffers from "fast-cast-itis" where it gets less benefit from spell power to start with. Where most classes will see their spells scale with crit, haste, and spell power (and in greater quantities, I might add), adding crit and haste to Lava Burst do essentially nothing. Casting a non-spammable spell faster only serves to get to the next cast faster- and that cast is likely LIGHTNING BOLT... A.K.A the worst spammable spell in the game currently.

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What' are you talking about? Lava burst scales incredibly well with spell power.

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Yes, but because of it's cooldown, it is never goping to be the majority of the damage we do. It's a big part of it, and I'll agree, it's a fun spell (One I'm still learning how to work into my rotations, but quite fun none the less) but that's not enough to deal with the scaling issues that have been identified in the class.

Now, that said, I stayed elemental and am keeping my Shammy my main because of comments by GC that they are going to fix the problems we have. I'm giving him a chance to change the shaman communities impression of Blizs development of our class, and i really hope he does so. :)

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I just wish Enhancement could get a bit more enjoyment from that spell.

Would it be so wrong to scale it's base damage down so that it did the same average damage as a Lightning Bolt, so that it could be added back onto Maelstrom Weapon, and then give back it's current damage to Elemental Shaman in a talent deep enough in their elemental tree so that it was not possible for an Enhancement Shaman to pick up?

I really love the spell's sounds and animations and just how it works but I am purely an Enhancement Shaman which means I really get barely any use from the spell and after playing with it for so long in the Beta....I really miss it.

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no no no

please dont touch the spell... enhance really doesnt NEED that spell but its the only thing elemental really has now and its what blizzard is basing elemental damage around. If anything the scaling of the spell needs to be increased. i understand its a new flashy spell and enhance want to use it, but some enhancement shaman only want it because its and OP auto crit instant cast for them... being able to instant cast chain lightning or heal isnt enough for you?

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So... how well does it scale with, say, Crit rating? Haste?

The additional damage you get from talents helps improve the overall performance of the spell, but it suffers from "fast-cast-itis" where it gets less benefit from spell power to start with. Where most classes will see their spells scale with crit, haste, and spell power (and in greater quantities, I might add), adding crit and haste to Lava Burst do essentially nothing. Casting a non-spammable spell faster only serves to get to the next cast faster- and that cast is likely LIGHTNING BOLT... A.K.A the worst spammable spell in the game currently.

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I'll agree it doesn't scale with crit at all. It will scale with haste at the same rate as other spells until its a 1.0s cast. It still scales amazingly well with spell damage.

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I'll agree it doesn't scale with crit at all. It will scales with haste at the same rate as other spells until its a 1.0s cast. It still scales amazingly well with spell damage.

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The "amazing" spell damage scaling you refer to is solely because Blizzard artifically boosted the benefits from spell damage from talents in the elemental tree (at the expense of the OTHER spells we cast in our rotation).

Unless you can chain cast in a fashion that makes sense, adding haste to this ability does not really increase the DPS of the spell- the artificial 8 second cooldown sees to that- no matter how fast your casting, the DPS of this spell is based around being cast only a single time once every 8 seconds. Haste merely makes it more convenient to cast more lightning and suffer all the scaling penalties that lightning now offers.

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I have said we are addressing this issue. We hope to be able to have an announcement soon. In the meantime, I'm glad you're enjoying Lava Burst. It's a fun spell.

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I await the announcement. I do hope Elemental Shamans get a boost.

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Glad you posted this :)

This gives me reason to consider respecing to Elemental from Enhancement at 80 (which I had already been considering). I will miss the wolves, but thunderstorming people off of cliffs will more than make up for it.

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...and I'm glad I'll have another elemental shaman to camp over and over again until they cry...you don't punt me off a cliff! :P

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Unless you can chain cast in a fashion that makes sense, adding haste to this ability does not really increase the DPS of the spell- the artificial 8 second cooldown sees to that- no matter how fast your casting, the DPS of this spell is based around being cast only a single time once every 8 seconds. Haste merely makes it more convenient to cast more lightning and suffer all the scaling penalties that lightning now offers.

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No, haste offers about the same benefit to Lava Burst that its offers to other spells until Lava Burst has a 1.0s cast time. The faster you cast lava burst the sooner its on cooldown again. This still allows you to cast more lava bursts over a certain amount of time.