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A snippet from a post GC made:

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I've read the post, I wasn't impressed. Right now armor means nothing, resilience means nothing. PvP is all about playing the "chosen" class of Blizz. Right now its arcane mages, rogues and retardins. They need to nerf arcane mages to the point they can't even solo a level one critter. They're stupidly OP right now.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065200189&sid=1#1

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Here is just a big brain dump on Arcane mages. Warning: I am not specifically talking about any changes we might make. We might make none at all. But here are our thoughts at the moment.

1) It's fun to be able to run around and do instant Barrages.
2) Barrage does a ton of damage quickly, possibly too much, and it can't be interrupted.
3) Locking Arcane out of its school is very painful for them (no Blink etc.). Does this balance them at all?
4) Arcane Blast feels a little awkward to use and doesn't do enough dps.
5) One way to change Arcane would be to require you to build up 2 Blasts in order to get the big Barrage numbers, kind of like a Shatter Combo if you will.
6) This would make their PvE rotation more interesting too.
7) Is there enough skill involved in doing Arcane PvP, or is it all just killing time until Barrage's cooldown is up?

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http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=12065200189&sid=1#1

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Seen it. Basically it shows that he doesn't play the game he designs at all or he'd KNOW arcane is OP and wouldn't speculate that it might be. Arcane needs major nerfing.

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Seen it. Basically it shows that he doesn't play the game he designs at all or he'd KNOW arcane is OP and wouldn't speculate that it might be. Arcane needs major nerfing.

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nominate arcane mage to take next nerf instead of another paladin nerf this tuesday

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nominate arcane mage to take next nerf instead of another paladin nerf this tuesday

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Pallies are bad, but they don't compare to arcane mages. Any idiot in greens can kill S3 players with ease.

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So all mages suddenly became skilled come 3.0.3?

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haha you must be joking, a drooling puppy could play arcane to it's full potential. Arcane mages didn't become skilled, they just stopped becoming free kills

oh boo hoo the mage actually takes me down to 50% before i kill him nerf pls

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haha you must be joking, a drooling puppy could play arcane to it's full potential. Arcane mages didn't become skilled, they just stopped becoming free kills

oh boo hoo the mage actually takes me down to 50% before i kill him nerf pls

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Same thing happened with ret pally's the good ones weren't free kills before 3.0, but after 3.0 they all became the best pvp'ers in the game. At least you admit that any idiot can play arcane as it is now and own face.

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They need to nerf arcane mages to the point they can't even solo a level one critter. They're stupidly OP right now.

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OK, good to know that you're just trolling at this point.

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OK, good to know that you're just trolling at this point.

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I wad dead serious when I said that. Its frustrating getting insta gibbed by a player with half your gear. Arcane mages, rogues and ret pallys are insane and need debilitating nerfs in order to bring them back into balance.

look, your op makes no sense at all, you're not even specifically complaining about anything. it's just nerf because of op

if you want to be taken seriously and not get dismissed as a troll, try substantiating your arguement with a little more than "i got instagibbed by a mage QQ"

*insert standard L2P response*

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look, your op makes no sense at all, you're not even specifically complaining about anything. it's just nerf because of op

if you want to be taken seriously and not get dismissed as a troll, try substantiating your arguement with a little more than "i got instagibbed by a mage QQ"

*insert standard L2P response*

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Argument: Arcane mages are OP and doing insane burst damage right now.

Your Response: I can't deny it so I'll just say that you made a poor argument.

If you want screenshots and combat logs I can post them or you can go to the 100s of other posts where they've already been posted. Enjoy arcane while you can, I'm hoping it gets nerfed worse than ret.

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Argument: Arcane mages are OP and doing insane burst damage right now.

Your Response: I can't deny it so I'll just say that you made a poor argument.

If you want screenshots and combat logs I can post them or you can go to the 100s of other posts where they've already been posted. Enjoy arcane while you can, I'm hoping it gets nerfed worse than ret.

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Argument: Arcane is OP

Your proof: Personal experience and other people complaining in anecdotal situations.

Obviously proof. Blizzard needs your screenshots because they're incapable of reviewing server-wide data themselves.

Players always know scaling and gameplay problems better than the devs. Always.

I'm not one to blindly defend the devs, but these unsupportable and illogical nerf calls are just getting silly. Want proof things change? Check the beta. I've been playing it, I've been checking the forums, and go figure, there isn't as much b*tching about arcane.

There was plenty of b*tching about ret though, so you really can't compare the two as identical situations. Ret did not balance at 80.

Oh, and on a logical note, if you can prove someone did make a poor argument, it does discredit said argument. You do have to actually make that case, but you can't knock the approach.

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Argument: Arcane is OP

Your proof: Personal experience and other people complaining in anecdotal situations.

Obviously proof. Blizzard needs your screenshots because they're incapable of reviewing server-wide data themselves.

Players always know scaling and gameplay problems better than the devs. Always.

I'm not one to blindly defend the devs, but these unsupportable and illogical nerf calls are just getting silly. Want proof things change? Check the beta. I've been playing it, I've been checking the forums, and go figure, there isn't as much b*tching about arcane.

There was plenty of b*tching about ret though, so you really can't compare the two as identical situations. Ret did not balance at 80.

Oh, and on a logical note, if you can prove someone did make a poor argument, it does discredit said argument. You do have to actually make that case, but you can't knock the approach.

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GCs own posts have confirmed that they believe there is a problem with arcane. Combine that with the anecdotal evidence I've experienced along with other players and thats pretty damning evidence that arcane is imbalanced. If doing 12k dmg in a matter of seconds is balanced then I'm really worried about where pvp is going to end up at 80.

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I've responded to this topic a couple of time, so if you aren't sure of our stance you either aren't reading the threads or are just looking for an opportunity to vent. But here it is again:

We are very concerned about the burst damage of Arcane in PvP. If we end up nerfing Arcane Barrage in particular, nobody should be surprised.

We understand that it is fun to have an instant spell that does so much damage, even on a cooldown. But we also think Arcane is a bit of a one-trick pony at the moment -- run around and Fireball or whatever, then Barrage when it's on cooldown. A more interesting and balanced rotation would be something like getting an Arcane Blast out first, which then buffs Barrage up to its current big numbers.

In PvE, Arcane doesn't seem to be OP and might even be low compared to Frost and Fire. Buffing Arcane Blast might help in this situation too.

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You guys opened pandora's box with 3.0, and all I want to know is what you're doing to fix the situation. It seems from your posts that you're aware arcane is imbalanced but I've yet to see what your solution is to the problem or an ETA on fixing it.

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I've responded to this topic a couple of time, so if you aren't sure of our stance you either aren't reading the threads or are just looking for an opportunity to vent. But here it is again:

We are very concerned about the burst damage of Arcane in PvP. If we end up nerfing Arcane Barrage in particular, nobody should be surprised.

We understand that it is fun to have an instant spell that does so much damage, even on a cooldown. But we also think Arcane is a bit of a one-trick pony at the moment -- run around and Fireball or whatever, then Barrage when it's on cooldown. A more interesting and balanced rotation would be something like getting an Arcane Blast out first, which then buffs Barrage up to its current big numbers.

In PvE, Arcane doesn't seem to be OP and might even be low compared to Frost and Fire. Buffing Arcane Blast might help in this situation too.

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Concerned, but not enough to hotfix anything.

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Concerned, but not enough to hotfix anything.

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I honestly feel bad for paladins that have always been ret. They deserved the love they got, but the way they've brow beaten ret pallies with these ninja nerfs while other classes are so blatantly imbalanced to the point where they're worse than any ret pally ever was post 3.0 really isn't right. Arcane needs hotfixing. Rogues need hotfixing. Why did they only hotfix ret?

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Concerned, but not enough to hotfix anything.

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Except Ret paladins... and prot and holy paladins as well.

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wow glass cannon class that dies quickly has burst


PRO TIP : melee scales better than casters...

pro tip 2...mages are in cloth pally is in plate

pro tip 3...paladin can heal and tank ( mage can spec dps/dps/dps )

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1 - We use plate but it doesn't help us against spells, use it or cloth is the same thing in this case

2 - We heal but you mages can counterspell.

We only have one school and before we use anythig to attack, like seals we get counterspell and can't do nothing

3 -Blink, Ice block and dmg? Am i need to say anythig?

You stun the mage he uses blinks and get free. What will we do? We will try to get closer and what happens?
They slow us, We use hand of freedom and it gets dispelled/stolen and then we die because the dmg is instant and high and most of the times we get CS when we try to heal ourselves

3.1 Ah and i forgot the sheep spam ...

I don't know how arcane is in pve but in pvp i can tell you that they are more op than pallies


Where is the Balance uncle GC??
Its not fair only pallies getting hotfixes, mages also need some