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I would think you guys would be whining about rogue's burst damage rather than dismantle. I switched to mutilate and don't even have a decent offhand, and it's amazing how fast anything without plate can drop.

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Mutilate has always been like that, however. It was just for masochists because in PvP you'd get to use it once every 10 or so seconds because the server would never think you were behind the target.

Totally off topic, but Ronco, your name and guild made me lul. :D

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It isn't.

However, it is balanced at level 80.

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I feel dejavu reading this sentence.

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I feel dejavu reading this sentence.

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Yeah. I hear a certain dps tree thats getting plowed by the nerf bat next patch was balanced for 80 too. Double standards ftw.

While the pen is mightier to the sword, I just used dismantle and disarmed you of both.

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Just like how 2.0 balanced 70 gameplay. amirite?

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I know lol. What is overpowered now will scale to be OP at 80. We have heard this story before and it doesn't pan out in the end trust me. If you believe it will be balanced at 80 then i have some bridges to sell you.

Anyone who was actually here before BC remembers this story, and what a monumental lie it turned out to be at 70. It wont be different at 80 either.


Paladins i see keep saying "its because nobody has enough hp for all the dps right now, and it will balance at 80"

Bullsh!t..........

At 80 we will have more hp but you will also have 2 handed weapons that do WAY more dps than the ones you're using now, thus leaving everyone exactly in the same position they're in now.

I'm not falling for that story twice.

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At 80 we will have more hp but you will also have 2 handed weapons that do WAY more dps than the ones you're using now, thus leaving everyone exactly in the same position they're in now.

I'm not falling for that story twice.

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You mean OOM and useless because Judgements of the Wise got nerfed into the *%!%ing ground?

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I know lol. What is overpowered now will scale to be OP at 80. We have heard this story before and it doesn't pan out in the end trust me. If you believe it will be balanced at 80 then i have some bridges to sell you.

Anyone who was actually here before BC remembers this story, and what a monumental lie it turned out to be at 70. It wont be different at 80 either.


Paladins i see keep saying "its because nobody has enough hp for all the dps right now, and it will balance at 80"

Bullsh!t..........

At 80 we will have more hp but you will also have 2 handed weapons that do WAY more dps than the ones you're using now, thus leaving everyone exactly in the same position they're in now.

I'm not falling for that story twice.

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What happens at 70 is NO guarantee what happens at 80.

After the 2.0 patch, 60 mages were completely OP, 1-shotting everything in sight.

After reaching level 70, mages spent the next year+ as one of the weakest BC classes.

I have to admit, I feel like a kid in a candy store when fighting anybody in PvP. Then again I felt the same way before 3.0.2.

But seriously, every rogue knows dismantle is OP. It'll be nerfed at or before 80, so don't worry your pretty little heads.

It's not that overpowered, but I wouldn't mind seeing the cooldown get increased on it slightly.

I have a 70 rogue and a 70 hunter (OMG!!) So I know how the classes work.

My hunter always gets owned by a rogue in AV if he sneaks up on me. Now that hunter's mark no longer has an infinite range, I am watchful for rogues. When I see one, I hunters mark it as soon as it's in range. No sneaky, sneaky! Tactic number two. Ice trap your butt! Yes! Throw down an ice trap behind you and a flare. When the rogue tries to get you, he's either bounced out of stealth or iced. Then you can run away and start spamming spells. Don't forget disengage! It throws you away from any melee class.

I'm shocked I even have to explain these tactics for a hunter. You will still get owned by a rogue once and a while, but guess what? The second he owns you, other people !#*@ the rogue up. When ever I died from a rogue, three more people were there to beat the !%%% out of the rogue. So he just got one kill by toasting your ass, and he's still dead. Why nerf an ability that ownly lets you take out one target at a time? Ret pallies can take out a few, and bladestorm warriors can take out a few people at once too.

As a rogue? Well I get owned by so many classes at the moment. I get three shotted by pallies and mages. Warriors bladestorm me to death and the only "OMG please god help me!" button is my dismantle. If I can dismantle first, I can stand a chance against these classes (except the mage. I have to cloak of shadows and normally I still get pew pew'd), but also guess what? My rogue is raid spec. Most of the rogues you guys are going up are most likely full geared pvp champions, spec'd perfectly. And you aren't. Thus why you were losing.

It's not that overpowered. Play a rogue before you beg for nerfs and you'll find out it's handy. Also blind isn't that viable in pvp because people trinket out of it easily. Normally you don't get away with using it.

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I just wanted to comment on this for any hunters who are new to being disarmed.

Weapon chains affect your global disarm duration. They aren't tied to the weapon per se. An offhand weapon chain works on both weapons and your bow.

When disarmed, you lose abilities tied to that item and armor, but not other stats.

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I did not know that, thank you.

damn necros


VVVV -- yeah that was kinda the point :)

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damn necros

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Funny thing is GC was the one who necro'd it.

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Funny thing is GC was the one who necro'd it.

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waffle

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I just wanted to comment on this for any hunters who are new to being disarmed.

Weapon chains affect your global disarm duration. They aren't tied to the weapon per se. An offhand weapon chain works on both weapons and your bow.

When disarmed, you lose abilities tied to that item and armor, but not other stats.

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Well that's good to know. I'll watch out for Dismantle the next time I'm being stunned to death.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHILE STUNNED
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHILE STUNNED
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHILE DEAD.