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  • 20. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:21:45 PM PST
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Why quit when re rolling a decent class is so much easier....? (easier then breaking a WoW addiction that is :D )
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  • 21. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:22:34 PM PST
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We Suck In PVP. We are glass cannons!!!!!!!!! nothn a 15k armor shaman would know
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  • 22. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:23:13 PM PST
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You QQ while sitting atop the highest point of PvE DPS ever achieved? Blindingly shocking... You hunters need to L2P and quit whining.


The same could be said about shamans. Best PVE healer / utility class and still they complain.
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  • 23. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:24:15 PM PST
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Why quit when re rolling a decent class is so much easier....? (easier then breaking a WoW addiction that is :D )


I hit 70 1 week ago on this character before I played a paladin( I guess I just hate myself for playing the two most gimp pvp classes). I am playing on levelling a DK as my main character now

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  • 25. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:35:02 PM PST
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Lolwut? In Wrath we no longer as the best Utility class, cuz that is pretty much dead.. and No one ever complains about PvE healing (Shaman). Who lets you people out of your forum anyways? All you do is cry about doing too much damage or something.. (In PvP blues [as a hunter] I can out-DPS people in full Naxx25 epics while running a Naxx25 raid.. sounds like hunters are TOTALLY UNDERPOWERED..)


If you paid any attention instead of blindly spreading your incorrect view of what people are actually saying, you would know that no hunter complains about PvE performance either. The discussion is about PvP. Thats player versus player. Any time a hunter complains, think about this post. P. V. P.
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  • 26. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:35:30 PM PST
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I like how you didn't even acknowledge that Hunters are doing very poor in Arena lol.

I like you but, I'm about to give up on this class.


I acknowledge that hunters struggled in the previous Arena seasons. I think it's vastly premature to say the situation is worse now when so few players have even been able to try Arenas at 80. We changed the hunter class quite a bit and we changed all of the other classes you were fighting as well. We don't feel particularly confident predicting what is going to happen in the next arena season, so I'm going to take with a grain of salt anyone who can sort of cleverly intuit what the state of PvP balance will be in LK.

Will we have specs that are too dominant and others that aren't viable? Probably, and we'll work to get both of those cases addressed. Are hunters in either of those camps? We'll all know soon enough.
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  • 27. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:38:26 PM PST
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way to give us BLACK ARROW and CAMOUFLAGE like you promised.


As Kim Jong-il would say... OOOH REEAARRRRRRRRRY??
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  • 29. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:44:19 PM PST
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Lolwut? In Wrath we no longer as the best Utility class, cuz that is pretty much dead.. and No one ever complains about PvE healing (Shaman). Who lets you people out of your forum anyways? All you do is cry about doing too much damage or something.. (In PvP blues [as a hunter] I can out-DPS people in full Naxx25 epics while running a Naxx25 raid.. sounds like hunters are TOTALLY UNDERPOWERED..)


You can outheal a paladin with a tier of gear under him, what's the difference? This is a pvp discussion.
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  • 30. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:44:19 PM PST
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Hunters probably got more blue posts than any other class in beta. This forum should not be a competition to see which class gets the most blue posts or how many times you can bump a post to get a blue response to it.

If players are interested in what you're saying, they'll respond to it.


GC hunters need help, I cant honestly believe you guys at blizzard are going to wait for another arena season come before some fixes happen, alot hunters dont want new op abilities, just some minor changes to their mechanics as not to be impossible to arena with.
Lower the gcd , make freezing arrow worth using, mastercall usable while stunned. These small things would help greatly without making them op, but just on par with other classes.
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  • 31. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:47:23 PM PST
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I acknowledge that hunters struggled in the previous Arena seasons. I think it's vastly premature to say the situation is worse now when so few players have even been able to try Arenas at 80. We changed the hunter class quite a bit and we changed all of the other classes you were fighting as well. We don't feel particularly confident predicting what is going to happen in the next arena season, so I'm going to take with a grain of salt anyone who can sort of cleverly intuit what the state of PvP balance will be in LK.

Will we have specs that are too dominant and others that aren't viable? Probably, and we'll work to get both of those cases addressed. Are hunters in either of those camps? We'll all know soon enough.


What about the stacks of feedback that Plops and others have provided on Arena at level 80?

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  • 32. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:49:16 PM PST
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I acknowledge that hunters struggled in the previous Arena seasons. I think it's vastly premature to say the situation is worse now when so few players have even been able to try Arenas at 80. We changed the hunter class quite a bit and we changed all of the other classes you were fighting as well. We don't feel particularly confident predicting what is going to happen in the next arena season, so I'm going to take with a grain of salt anyone who can sort of cleverly intuit what the state of PvP balance will be in LK.

Will we have specs that are too dominant and others that aren't viable? Probably, and we'll work to get both of those cases addressed. Are hunters in either of those camps? We'll all know soon enough.


This is exactly my line of thought. Now that we have you obviously keeping an eye on everything, as someone who is willing to make changes, and hopefully maintain that reputation when LK goes live, I would like to see what the arena class rankings look like at Lvl 80. At that point, I'm sure classes that are drastically over or underpowered will receive the nerfs or buffs appropriate.
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  • 33. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:49:42 PM PST
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I acknowledge that hunters struggled in the previous Arena seasons. I think it's vastly premature to say the situation is worse now when so few players have even been able to try Arenas at 80. We changed the hunter class quite a bit and we changed all of the other classes you were fighting as well. We don't feel particularly confident predicting what is going to happen in the next arena season, so I'm going to take with a grain of salt anyone who can sort of cleverly intuit what the state of PvP balance will be in LK.

Will we have specs that are too dominant and others that aren't viable? Probably, and we'll work to get both of those cases addressed. Are hunters in either of those camps? We'll all know soon enough.


So plobs videos werent enough proof of the arena issues hunter still have, what the hell was the point of beta, players have given you guys extensive constructive post, and videos and your still saying this crap.
I dont post often but damn if this just didnt piss me off gc.
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  • 34. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:50:24 PM PST
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I'm sorry but if your failing as a hunter is PVP or PVE its not the class xD. I think this is more a case of an incompetent player xD. Hunters got all kinds of buffs =P

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  • 35. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:51:03 PM PST
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What about the stacks of feedback that Plops and others have provided on Arena at level 80?


I've read and wholeheartedly agree with all the feedback on the Beta hunter forums. However, I think that GC and his team want to see how things work out when LK and Lvl 80 arena goes live. Law of large numbers, and all that.
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  • 37. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:52:15 PM PST
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I'm sorry but if your failing as a hunter is PVP or PVE its not the class xD. I think this is more a case of an incompetent player xD. Hunters got all kinds of buffs =P


Am I the only one sick and tired of these kind of posts generalizing all hunters as idiots?
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  • 38. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:54:39 PM PST
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No, you're not the only one. Nor are you the only one tired of morons like him posting about how great hunters are in pvp when their only experience with the class is being ganked by them.

Hunters have specific problems in arena. This is an objective fact, not an opinion.
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  • 39. Re: hunters dead class! what wotlk is realy a   11/02/2008 10:59:19 PM PST
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I've read and wholeheartedly agree with all the feedback on the Beta hunter forums. However, I think that GC and his team want to see how things work out when LK and Lvl 80 arena goes live. Law of large numbers, and all that.


A lot of what hunters are complaining about doesn't have anything to do with numbers. Clunky class mechanics such as traps / freezing arrow just don't get any better with gear / level scaling.

Too many abilities due to us getting multiple half-baked versions, instead of a single good version (hello master's call + disengage, I'm talking to you), also doesn't change with level.

Being shut down by someone running at us, or running out LoS, doesn't change.

Having to use a Tenacity pet as they are clearly "the best", doesn't change.

The majority of our PvE damage coming from Steady Shot, which means we have no burst to speak of (simply due to the basic class design), doesn't change.

Having one of the lowest "on the run" DPS of all the classes, doesn't change.

The complexity of the the class, and the sheer number of GCD keybinds that we have to use, doesn't change.

So yeah, I don't really see anything wrong with discussing and hopefully fixing these issues now - rather than waiting for level 80. The sort of thing they should be waiting for data on is to TWEAK (awesome small) our abilities - not give us the large changes required to make us simply work.

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