To keep this short. meta sucks. you know it, i know it. we all know it.

Over it's CD, it's only a 3% increase to our damage. soul link gave more than that pre-3.0 and it was a 31 point talent, not 51.

it makes us MORE susceptible to CC, and is just plain laughable in terms of its special abilities.

Overall, aside being a permanent form which blizzard does not want to do. Making it mimic the hunter's bestial wrath would work to at least be a tolerable talent. Enrage your pet using demonic empowerment, and the side affect would be to turn you into a demon, increasing damage you and your pet do by 20%. forget all the other bonus crap, that's all garbage.

Discuss.

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Q u o t e:

Warlock: Hey blizzard I notice that I don't have synergy with raids.

Blizzard: ....

Warlock: More so, I find that I have less defensive maneuvers against most classes. For instance, my only main form of CC, fear, can be broken by talents in almost every class.

Blizzard: ...

Warlock: So I was asking if um, can I have some defensive abilities or something to add utility myself. Oh, and can you do something about chaos bolt. I feel that it's being beat into the ground by every 51 talent with the exception of dispersion


Blizzard: Well warlocks aren't scaling well with buffs so we'll just increase damage. This is a decision of the upmost logic.

Warlock: What do I do as synergy increases and becomes more important?

Blizzard: And as for your pvp situation we'll just buff soul link by 5%. That will save you.

Warlock: But what about my ability to avoid being engaged in melee at all since we're supposed to not be a melee tanking class?

Blizzard: And Chaos bolt adds variety to a warlocks dps structure

Warlock: Is that the only reason it's been implemented. Could it at least be buffed?

Blizzard: Asking for changes is not always a guaranteed

Warlock: ...

Blizzard: But please continue to give us feedback. We'll listen and try to respond to your problems.

Warlock: What about the only valid curse being elements which is being replaced by a druids ability that can be used easily in a rotation

Blizzard: *cricket*

Warlock: /post "Dear warlocks, while I enjoyed making contributions to the class such as the Warlocks entire section on WoW wiki, I regret to inform you that I'm changing class to one of my other more suitable alts. The rest of you who stayed loyal to one class may be screwed"






It's kind of like this. *sigh*

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While I agree they shouldn't be more susceptible to CC, I disagree that it is a weak ability. The armour and the charge alone is enough to make a Meta warlock very nasty for a hunter.

meta doesn't suck, the tree it's in sucks.

who is that quote from?

I tried bladestorming a meta once.


I died instead.


wtf?

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Q u o t e:
meta doesn't suck, the tree it's in sucks.

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Agreed. Like others have said, playing with meta on cd feels the same as playing 0/0/0 with a new pet.

You didn't see the stealthed ret pally.

Meta is pretty damn good in arena, though.

Why is there a taunt!?

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Q u o t e:
Why is there a taunt!?

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It seems like a meta'd lock was supposed to melee or something but got half-assed as wrath's release date came up.

Meta itself is a pretty good ability, it's just that with all those points in demo, which is a terrible tree, your damage sucks big time when you're in regular form. Once meta is on CD demo locks are pretty sad.

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Q u o t e:
While I agree they shouldn't be more susceptible to CC, I disagree that it is a weak ability. The armour and the charge alone is enough to make a Meta warlock very nasty for a hunter.

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Lets see - 800+ extra armor Meta meets Mr Warrior with executioner enchanted weapon. It's a joke really.

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Q u o t e:


Lets see - 800+ extra armor Meta meets Mr Warrior with executioner enchanted weapon. It's a joke really.

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You are basicially lying and misrepresenting your class, or you've never used Meta. The extra armor is incredible against melee.

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Q u o t e:
The taunt is there because we thought it might be fun in a 5-player instance for the warlock to be able to tank once in awhile, especially if the main tank goes down on a pull. It's not the signature ability of Metamorphosis.

We don't have a problem with the spell. It is useful in PvP and provides a nice damage buff in PvE. Some of its abilities, like the Immolate, can be useful in the right situations.

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Great then make it longer than 30 seconds. Our dps is no longer tops so if you want us to explore other avenues then provide us with things that are not hampered so drastically like a CD. And the armor against a boss in wrath is not the same as a nerfed BC boss unless you think that somehow meta is up to the task of real tanking.

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Q u o t e:
The taunt is there because we thought it might be fun in a 5-player instance for the warlock to be able to tank once in awhile, especially if the main tank goes down on a pull. It's not the signature ability of Metamorphosis.

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Yeah the whole 30 seconds we get to 'tank'

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Q u o t e:
We don't have a problem with the spell. It is useful in PvP and provides a nice damage buff in PvE. Some of its abilities, like the Immolate, can be useful in the right situations.

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Yes it is useful in PvP. For 30 seconds. Then we have to hide for 2 and a half minutes before we can ever hope to kill something again.

Just call meta what it is. A Gimmick.

Gimmicks are sometimes useful... if the situation is right. And the planets are aligned.

And theres a full moon.

And the enemy is 20+ lvls below you.

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Q u o t e:
The taunt is there because we thought it might be fun in a 5-player instance for the warlock to be able to tank once in awhile, especially if the main tank goes down on a pull. It's not the signature ability of Metamorphosis.

We don't have a problem with the spell. It is useful in PvP and provides a nice damage buff in PvE. Some of its abilities, like the Immolate, can be useful in the right situations.

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I live for other Warlocks comment. Unlike the Live lock, forums, where locks with no 80 experience say Meta is fine, ALL locks on beta forum agree that beta is gimped. When you have results like that, you'd think that, and this is just a thought, that something might be wrong with Meta.

I could be wrong and it could be fine. That's just me though.

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Q u o t e:
The taunt is there because we thought it might be fun in a 5-player instance for the warlock to be able to tank once in awhile, especially if the main tank goes down on a pull. It's not the signature ability of Metamorphosis.

We don't have a problem with the spell. It is useful in PvP and provides a nice damage buff in PvE. Some of its abilities, like the Immolate, can be useful in the right situations.

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Yes, the spell itself is nice, but the 50 points you have to use to get it: not so much.

In PVP demo locks pretty much rely on this one cooldown, so whenever we use it we become highly vulnerable for 2 and a half minutes, being good for 30 seconds out of every 3 minutes doesn't seem balanced or viable to me.

As for PVE, full affliction/destruction will be better dps anyway, so really no serious raiders wil actually spec demo for raids.

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Q u o t e:
Just call meta what it is. A Gimmick.

Gimmicks are sometimes useful... if the situation is right. And the planets are aligned.

And theres a full moon.

And the enemy is 20+ lvls below you.

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Welcome to the world of balance druids :) We rely on some 3 minute talents too.