I would love to see every class given at least 10% representation at 2200+ in at least one bracket.

My hopes are reasonable, perhaps cloth gets smushed in seconds in 5v5, but in 3v3 and 2v2 they can make a difference. Perhaps warriors do well with support of four other team mates, but their shortcomings exploited in 2v2.

I don't want to see what happened to hunters and to a lesser extent paladins again.
I don't want to see a single class take more than 20-15% representation in all three brackets.
I don't want to see a single class be found in the top 3 compositions, with the next best composition being half of the third best.
I don't want to see abilities become overpowered only because they counter overrepresented matchups.

I want variety. I would love to see all 100 compositions in 2200+ frequently. I'm not even including specs. But I will settle for 40. I don't want to think "I'm going to do X for this comp, Y for that comp, and Z for that other comp I may see," I want to surprise and be surprised by my opponents as soon as we see each other 20 feet from each other in the orgrimmar arena.

I would love it if each spec for the classes has at least 20% representation at 2200+ for that class (let's face it, there will be a best spec, and there will be easy and hard specs). I would also love it if the specs had interesting playstyles, instead of X, Y, Win! (Or Y, X, Die!)

They're testing like mad even now, and will be watching to see what happens during wrath...

They want to make it enjoyable for everyone, which isn't as easy as it may sound.

Fix Enhancement.

And seriously, even if Kalgan yells at you, just nerf mages.

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I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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So... what about Lake Wintergrasp as a measuring stick? Surely you have ways of measuring kill to death ratios of the various classes in a specific zone.

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Q u o t e:
Fix Enhancement.

And seriously, even if Kalgan yells at you, just nerf mages.

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wait till 80, ffs. You'll see we're not gods.

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Q u o t e:
I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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Well said

One of my biggest concers was that Pali's were being dogged for OP"ness when other classes have the ability to drop me in a heart beat with a little "strategy" but because i had been such an easy mark in the past they didnt know what to do with me, in a couple of days some learned other simple ran to the forums and cried..

To those who beat me by changing and developing tactics i salute you, the rest well your not even worth my time.

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Q u o t e:
I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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You've done it before.

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wait till 80, ffs. You'll see we're not gods.

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That's what gods always say. "Uh, don't look at me! I'm not really all that powerful! I just farted and a lightning bolt came out. Sorry bout the village and your family."

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Q u o t e:
I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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Or even after 4 more seasons of being last.....

"we won't buff a class" so basically your saying that when say a million or so talented players figure out that lets umm ..warlocks suck at pvp..in the first season of arena you won't just buff them cause you know lol strategy etc. Dude cmon. After 5 seasons professional players, tournaments etc are going to show exactly who needs help and if the development team cannot simply buff those classes quickly then you fail, im sorry but fail. The only hope some of the classes have right now shaman ..warlock's maybe even ..cough paladin;s since nerf is that you guys will see what we already see and when the data is in you will fix us.
The community knows before you do umm lolret anyone for 3 years. And if 2200 rated players and professional players show you a class sucks at pvp then you should immediately fix them. None of this ohh well we will see how it plays out for another season. We pay you over 100+millioon dollars a month total and all of us expect alot of work for that.
I don't think asking you guys to make sure things are balanced as soon as there is a problem is too much to ask.
BTW my prediction...willing to bet almost anything.
Played arena on a ret pallie,dk,warlock and mage in beta and tested alot of pvp.
classes in season 1 that are most common in top tiers 2000k plus
1-DK's
2-rogues
3-Mages
4-Druid
5-Warrior
6-Priests

The other 4 will be somewhere like this.
7-hunter
8-paladin
9-shaman
10-warlock....we may be 8 or 9 though depending on what happenes before season starts

Yeah i know im flamebait but i don't care anymore anyone who has played at 80 see's the problems very clearly and yet again for yet another xpac pvp balance has taken a back seat. Try to live at 80 as a warlock for more than 4 seconds i dare any of you its simply impossible ohh yea demonic circle cough...out of range...out of range...can't do that while stunned...lol.


Sorry Gc but im just a little steamed up after trying to enjoy beta and not ever surviving in pvp long enough to even get a spell off...

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"we won't buff a class" so basically your saying that when say a million or so talented players figure out that lets umm ..warlocks suck at pvp..in the first season of arena you won't just buff them cause you know lol strategy etc. Dude cmon. After 5 seasons professional players, tournaments etc are going to show exactly who needs help and if the development team cannot simply buff those classes quickly then you fail, im sorry but fail. The only hope some of the classes have right now shaman ..warlock's maybe even ..cough paladin;s since nerf is that you guys will see what we already see and when the data is in you will fix us.
The community knows before you do umm lolret anyone for 3 years. And if 2200 rated players and professional players show you a class sucks at pvp then you should immediately fix them. None of this ohh well we will see how it plays out for another season. We pay you over 100+millioon dollars a month total and all of us expect alot of work for that.
I don't think asking you guys to make sure things are balanced as soon as there is a problem is too much to ask.
BTW my prediction...willing to bet almost anything.
Played arena on a ret pallie,dk,warlock and mage in beta and tested alot of pvp.
classes in season 1 that are most common in top tiers 2000k plus
1-DK's
2-rogues
3-Mages
4-Druid
5-Warrior
6-Priests

The other 4 will be somewhere like this.
7-hunter
8-paladin
9-shaman
10-warlock....we may be 8 or 9 though depending on what happenes before season starts

Yeah i know im flamebait but i don't care anymore anyone who has played at 80 see's the problems very clearly and yet again for yet another xpac pvp balance has taken a back seat. Try to live at 80 as a warlock for more than 4 seconds i dare any of you its simply impossible ohh yea demonic circle cough...out of range...out of range...can't do that while stunned...lol.


Sorry Gc but im just a little steamed up after trying to enjoy beta and not ever surviving in pvp long enough to even get a spell off...

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Someone has to take our place at the bottom if we leave it vacant. :P In all honesty though, my best friend is a Warlock and we go do BGs together and sometimes we have LANs. He's not exceptionally well geared but he does tend to drop like a sack of bricks. Still though, even with that he never seems to have a problem putting out some serious damage.

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I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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I dont think anyone will trust you. You failed!

I played druid before BC, you buffed it then nerfed it back.

After LK ship means we have to buy it first. You are just a liar!

I certainly hope they do a better job in wotlk than they did in BC.

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Q u o t e:
I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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Some classes and or specs have been lagging behind for nearly 4 seasons. Asking them to continue for another season is not encouraging or fun.

Not all specs are equally viable for the battlegrounds right now much less the arena that is still being forced down our throats as the only means to obtain quality pvp gear for the battlegrounds.

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Q u o t e:
I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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does that go both ways, and if ret survives the nerf bat will we be left alone for long enough for tactics to evolve against us?

At the moment ret pallys in arena feel like we are not going to be given the chance to be competitive as there is so much nerf ret QQ that is being listened to a little too much. Other classes want the status quo with ret being the whipping boys, and people QQ if a ret pally ever manages to beat them.

Wait out a full season? So let's think this out a little. Those of us *ret pallies* who will have to wait out the season... will be in the lower brackets, thus unable to get the ratings for the full Arena Sets.

So by season 2.... we're going to be behind a full set of gear, and thus have to play catch up against people who are pushing high amounts of DMG with HP/Resil at their backs.. while we're beating an uphill battle to catch up just because "we had to wait out a season".

I'm really starting to hate some of the concept views that developers have towards things like this. I'm not paying for a game to just sit on the sidelines and watch everyone else advance ahead in ratings/gear, while I'm waiting for my mommy to finish up w/the after-school love session w/the coach just so I can catch up w/the big boys and be able to play with them.

Hey GC..... ever think that "TO THE GROUND BABY" comment would come back to nip you in the backside?

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Q u o t e:
I'm not going to promise that we will automatically buff any class that can't obtain X arena rating in the first season. That takes all of the onus off of the community and makes the assumption that strategies and tactics never evolve, which they do.

But we will make balance changes for PvP purposes after LK ships. Absolutely.

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How about the classes that can't obtain x arena rating after five seasons?

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Wait out a full season? So let's think this out a little. Those of us *ret pallies* who will have to wait out the season... will be in the lower brackets, thus unable to get the ratings for the full Arena Sets.

So by season 2.... we're going to be behind a full set of gear, and thus have to play catch up against people who are pushing high amounts of DMG with HP/Resil at their backs.. while we're beating an uphill battle to catch up just because "we had to wait out a season".

I'm really starting to hate some of the concept views that developers have towards things like this. I'm not paying for a game to just sit on the sidelines and watch everyone else advance ahead in ratings/gear, while I'm waiting for my mommy to finish up w/the after-school love session w/the coach just so I can catch up w/the big boys and be able to play with them.

Hey GC..... ever think that "TO THE GROUND BABY" comment would come back to nip you in the backside?

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this^

And yet.. once again it doesn't surprise me... that even though I just shortly posted in this not too long ago.. it's already pushed back 50pages... by people making senseless QQ posts about OP this... OP that... Buff me... nerf them.

These forums are a great idea.. but in the same aspect.. HORRIBLE idea. Nothing has a chance to sit up front for too long to be read before it's shoved into the back of the pile, and hidden amongst the QQ'rs.

It is nice though to see at least a few Blizzard Blues on every page though. There is a positive...