I'd like to know so that I may curl into the fetal position to lessen the sting of the nerf bat.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a major part of Warrior damage. I haven't partied with many DPS warriors, let alone good ones but aren't they right in middle of the damage charts? I'd see no reason to nerf it if Warriors we average or a little above it.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a major part of Warrior damage. I haven't partied with many DPS warriors, let alone good ones but aren't they right in middle of the damage charts? I'd see no reason to nerf it if Warriors we average or a little above it.

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A warrior had it ticking for 1000+ on brutallus.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it a major part of Warrior damage. I haven't partied with many DPS warriors, let alone good ones but aren't they right in middle of the damage charts? I'd see no reason to nerf it if Warriors we average or a little above it.

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Yes, it's a major part of Warrior damage, no, Warriors are actually pretty high on the charts, and also, it is doing disproportionately more damage than a passive 3 point talent should. My only fear is that, when the nerf bat comes, it will leave Warriors in a state where we are doing too little damage. Oh, and that Blizzard will continue to leave the first 2 tiers of Arms as irrelevant filler.

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Warriors are the top DPS, easily, at level 70. At 80, last I saw they were second to hunters.

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Hmmm...my experience was mages and rogues beating warriors. Hell Ret was beating Warriors at 80. (This was a while ago, haven't played beta in weeks) I feel it's an interesting talent that warriors have (I guess Ret has it to). You gotta start going on a roll before it starts to become truly deadly.

If it needs a nerf then make it only proc off certain attacks. Doesn't it proc off all crits?

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Hmmm...my experience was mages and rogues beating warriors. Hell Ret was beating Warriors at 80. (This was a while ago, haven't played beta in weeks) I feel it's an interesting talent that warriors have (I guess Ret has it to). You gotta start going on a roll before it starts to become truly deadly.

If it needs a nerf then make it only proc off certain attacks. Doesn't it proc off all crits?

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Most recently it's Hunters being way ahead of the pack, followed by mages and arms warriors.

I do believe teh 10% armor buff to boss mobs was directly related to arms and hunters just pushing their faces in.

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A warrior had it ticking for 1000+ on brutallus.

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On live there are reports of it ticking for near 11k using Slow/Fast DW arms setup...deep wounds is "rolling" somewhat. Fast OH critting MH damage range deep wounds. Although on beta its nerfed and possible completely broken atm so it shouldnt be like this in Wrath.

Have you forgotten about a certain dev who wants to keep rockin that S# weapon as an arms warrior?

Warriors are the standard for OPness. The nerf bat swings whenever a nonhealing hybrid spec dares to arena as well or better than an arms warrior. I cite 2.0.10 and 3.0.3 as just two examples to back that up. I'm sure other players can offer more.

And then after 4 seasons of uselessness in arenas, blizzard will dangle another carrot in front of the nonhealing hybrid specs to get them to buy another expansion.

The current high damage of deep wounds is due to a bug where offhand crits are generating deep wounds based on mainhand damage. The fury warriors using a fast offhand (like a 1.4 speed warglaive) combined with a slow mainhand are getting a huge dps boost (500+ dps) from this bug.

This was fixed on the beta 2 builds ago. In fact, deep wounds is bugged in the other direction now on beta.

First!

Woo my first first!!!

I wonder if Deep Wounds will be doing around the same damage as Righteous Vengeance...

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Have you forgotten about a certain dev who wants to keep rockin that S# weapon as an arms warrior?

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Take your paranoid delusions elsewhere. Not only is Deep Wounds a terrible PvP talents, but DPS Warriors have suffered several PvP nerfs throughout the Beta (Death Wish losing it's fear break and immunity, for example).

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There were several bugs with Deep Wounds. We believe we have those all fixed now so we need to observe the changes for a bit before we decide if any further changes are warranted.

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Are you referring to the Off Hand proccing for Main Hand damage bug (on live), or the more recent ones that have Execute, Bloodthirst and all Off Hand procs hitting for Off Hand damage but only at rank 1 (on Beta)?

I worry, greatly, that it will be nerfed, and it will be nerfed hard enough that it leaves Warriors in a bad place. I also worry that, because it's so strong, I will continue to waste 10 points in Arms for the privilege of getting it and Impale, instead of actually wanting to spend those first 10 points.

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There were several bugs with Deep Wounds. We believe we have those all fixed now so we need to observe the changes for a bit before we decide if any further changes are warranted.

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Are you talking about these 3? Because they are still there as of 9155.

1. Bloodthirst and Execute crits are not generating the proper deep wounds damage. With a single 2hander equipped (not even specced titan's grip), and a damage range of around 1400-1700, crits with these two abilities were generating deep wounds that ticked for around 20. That's 120 damage total over 6 sec when it should be more like 750. Upon further testing this value seems to be the value of an offhand crit (even when only using 1 weapon, and not TG specced), when it should be based off mainhand damage for execute and bloodthirst. Offhand crits are further bugged themselves (see #3).

2. Simultaneous crits with both weapons will generate only 1 deep wounds damage amount. With whirlwind while dual wielding for example, if both hits crit you only get deep wounds damage from the offhand crit. This can also happen if you swing both mh and offhand normal attacks at the same time, or do a special attack at the same time as a normal swing.

3. Offhand crits are only getting the value from rank 1 of deepwounds, 16%, even with 3/3 spent in the talent. They get the same 16% with 1/3, 2/3, or 3/3 spent. It is correctly using offhand damage range now, however.

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You forgot to mention warriors no longer have to stance dance to break fear (BR works in any stance)

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Or that Enrage was reduced to 10% from 25%? My point was simple: there is no conspiracy to keep Warriors dominant in PvP. We get PvP nerfs, just like everybody else.

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Or that Enrage was reduced to 10% from 25%? My point was simple: there is no conspiracy to keep Warriors dominant in PvP. We get PvP nerfs, just like everybody else.

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comparing that to 2.0.10 or the recent barrage of ret nerfs, I'd hardly call that "just like everybody else"


Comparing MS warriors' representation in highly ranked arena teams to the representation of non-healing hybrid specs, I'd hardly call that "just like everybody else"