Ill admit i was a little more than PO at how my class was handeled of late, i will find another game if i am treated the way i was in the last expansion.

However, It shows integrity that you have, with others, made this forum, its not even possible to keep up with the pali forum let alone go to all the others. Thank you for that.

So that aside

I do not want to be OP, but i do want to be able to drop a less skilled similarly geared toon of another class. I do think it fair that all classes have (one anti class) not 5 or 6.

1. I hope its not true that Dev's are powering thier toons at the sake of others.

2. That you nurfed me for the sake of a bigger picture and will be bringng others in line with me to achive overall balance

3. That the balance is static, and dos'nt take a year to even give me minimal improvement as in the past.

4. That im not being misled as in the past just to get 15 bucks a month.

5. That i be needed and viable so long as i have the skill.....................


there is so much more, i looked at the forums last night for even one post from you to reassure me that you were not carless and that you care for my class the same as any other.

All the reasons i was nurfed were hard to swallow as everything that was said to me, about my toon was true of all the other classes, i was killed once by a mage 3 levels lower than myself......... talk about op, so when i saw you post tonight on mages i was heartened.......

Im in to see what goes on, when i was closer than you could imagine to just quitting the game. I got your back after this forum creation and the posts tonight. All i ask is to not be made cannon fodder and the low man left out

tks

*Edited for some spelling after a blue responce i never exspected*

Can you address the Enhancement thread on this board as well please?

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Can you address the Enhancement thread on this board as well please?

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Fat chance man, remember that the 11 million subscriber franchise is not exactly in jeopardy if they ignore Shamans, and that's why they can continuously get away with it.

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We LOVE Ret paladins. Seriously. We made a ton of changes to the spec that we wouldn't have done if we didn't care what happened to the class.

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I'd have to agree that I'm really happy with the direction of ret paladins in general. That you still listen to us in general after the crying paladins did during the last few rounds of nerfs is commendable.

We haven't been treated that well since.... well since I started playing the game.

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Sadly, you were overpowered by a considerable margin in both PvE and PvP. That was our fault (mine really) and not anything the community did. Most Ret pallies actually seem to agree they were OP and only argue with the magnitude of the nerfs.

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I don't think any of us could look you in the eyes and say we weren't a bit OP.

However, please consider our past treatment when giving our buffs. I know we went through a massive overhaul with LK stuff, but that's only more reason to test these things more before we get our hands on them.

It's been a roller coaster ride for sure.

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5. That i be needed and viable so long as i have the skill.....................

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That is exactly the plan.

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And that's all we really want. A level playing field in both PvP and PvE.

This is offtopic but since GC will probably read this...

Any plans of looking at unholy blight before release? Maybe adding some form of second effect to make it less... well bad?

Yes, time will tell. You (probably inadvertently) managed to repeat paladin history to a T. It will take some serious work to repair what has been broken...and no, I'm not solely talking about being OP or UP.

All we want at the moment is to have the JotW nerf relooked... just a bump to 20-25% and we are once again completely viable because we can use all of our abilities with a good rotation. I will definately stand up and say we were OP, especially when I was able to get into timed ZA runs, and out-DPS the rest of the raid by at least 3%.... but the JotW nerf alsmost seems like a straight kick in the you-know-what amongst the rest of the dmg nerfs. I can totally sit back and let you guys test the new DPS numbers, but we just want a little more mana to keep up our rotations to stay viable and competitive.

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20 bucks says they made ret so powerful because it was the most anticipated class to reroll dk's so they wanted to somewhat lower that number by making them not suck for once.

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Kinda defeats the purpose to insta nerf them then.

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Yes, time will tell. You (probably inadvertently) managed to repeat paladin history to a T. It will take some serious work to repair what has been broken...and no, I'm not solely talking about being OP or UP.

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What are you talking about then? Not being sarcastic just curious?

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What are you talking about then? Not being sarcastic just curious?

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This will be the third time in three big pushes were ret was nerfed severely right as it went live. Happened in the original beta, TBC beta, and now WotLK beta. We still seem to be in a much better place now (as opposed to the craphole we used to reside in) but Blizz did not make any friends with this.

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We LOVE Ret paladins. Seriously. We made a ton of changes to the spec that we wouldn't have done if we didn't care what happened to the class. When we did Naxx tests and people brought Ret paladins, it was great. Even before they became overpowered, there were several posts by Ret pallies saying how they liked the changes to their class (so I don't think it was just an issue that they were rolling over everyone that made them fun).

Sadly, you were overpowered by a considerable margin in both PvE and PvP. That was our fault (mine really) and not anything the community did. Most Ret pallies actually seem to agree they were OP and only argue with the magnitude of the nerfs.



Of course not. Why would we risk a franchise with eleven million active players for something so selfish? That would be really, really dumb. Besides, if you read the forums, we have never played any of the classes anyway. :)



Ret was not the only OP class. We made changes to Frost mages and all hunters at the same time. There are still a few classes that may be OP still. They probably know who they are.



We made a lot of changes to the game for LK, and we owe it to the players who have stuck with their characters for so many years to quickly address things if they feel off.



I'm not the business guy here, but I don't think the game has the following it has because we somehow manage to decieve large portions of our customer base. I think it's because the game is fun.



That is exactly the plan.

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As i said impressive, lol i doubt you replied so i would buy the 50 buck expansion.

So I will keep an open mind. Redevelope my skills and abilites, knowing that you guys have access to data that i could only dream of and trust ...............

Trust we are balanced, trust we are a work in progress in the balancing department and i will adjust my playstyle to find the optimal way i need to work my abilities to kill each class.

I will go one better i will not exspect you to be perfect :)

thanks for responding and giving me a little hope, i do not envy your job and if i could would send you a fresh bottle of gin for that coffee

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Only to a reasonable level. If you call that reasonable.

I'm still leveling practically insta-killing everything. Even after the nerf, I can still pull out of 4-5 same level mobs with full life and more than 75% mana. Its basically how good prot was, the only difference is you kill everything 20 times faster.

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Besides, if you read the forums, we have never played any of the classes anyway. :)

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This may have been addressed elsewhere, but there's a lot of threads to sort through :x

Anyway, does that mean that Kalgan doesn't play a warrior?

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This will be the third time in three big pushes were ret was nerfed severely right as it went live. Happened in the original beta, TBC beta, and now WotLK beta. We still seem to be in a much better place now (as opposed to the craphole we used to reside in) but Blizz did not make any friends with this.

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true they didnt make any friends with it but they have never responded as they have this time, any way you shake it, it looks like its different this time, last time the nurf put us on the bottom im holding my own right now

well except for those damm mages