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  • 0. Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 05:57:45 AM PDT
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http://wowwebstats.com/mej2qselnf1pm

Thephoenîx is one of the most talented ret paladin players in the world and it is sad to see him be pushed to the bottom of the DPS heap. There is also a lot of good discussion going on at the EJ forums regarding the recent ret changes. Most of them are pretty level headed people but even they are saying WTF right now.

Class in Genial:
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t28560-paladin_wotlk_talent_trees_abilities_discussion/p222/

Ret Pallies:
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t17193-paladin_retribution_dps_theorycraft/p263/


EDIT:

Lot's of good discussion going on in this thread right now, to summarize:

* Statistically speaking the ret pally is within reach of the top but....
* He used dark runes to keep mana up
* He used mana pots (haste pots are more fun)
* His targets were undead.
* He used LoH on himself for mana regen.
* still using 2 T6 pieces for more SA mana regen.

[ Post edited by Pjamin ]

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  • Blackrock
  • 1. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 05:59:27 AM PDT
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paladins are at the bottom like the last of the peanut butter.

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  • Hydraxis
  • 2. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:01:57 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
paladins are at the bottom like the last of the peanut butter.


Peanut butter, in any quantity, if far more delicious than nerf'd ret.
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  • Earthen Ring
  • 3. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:03:08 AM PDT
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Did you see where he was 10th place in healing? Unacceptable, further nerfs inevitable.
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  • 4. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:05:14 AM PDT
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If you break down the numbers some more

http://wowwebstats.com/mej2qselnf1pm?a=x4c604

You can see that Consecration is a big part of his dps cycle. It's very clear with the JoTW changes that Consecration is *not* something the devs are considering to be part of our dps cycle

Not only is his dps low overall (even using consecrate) but is using every trick in the book to keep is mana up to maintain a full cycle:

http://wowwebstats.com/mej2qselnf1pm?a=x4c604#buffs

Dark Runes, Pots etc.


I'm a holy pally and I find the state ret is in now very sad.
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  • 5. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:07:09 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Did you see where he was 10th place in healing? Unacceptable, further nerfs inevitable.


lol, yeah he just edged that lock out. Next thing you know fan of knives will be healing melee.
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  • 6. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:07:33 AM PDT
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amazing how blizzard replies.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/11855817022-developers-please-read-lolret.html

they simply don't care
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  • Jubei'Thos
  • 7. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:12:23 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Did you see where he was 10th place in healing? Unacceptable, further nerfs inevitable.
Indeed. With 1.3 million healing, 800k of that being Judgement of Light, he's a healing machine. He's lucky another paladin wasn't in the raid to put up his own JoL and get the credit for all that healing.
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  • 8. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:12:49 AM PDT
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I looked at the parse some more and forgot that Nax is undead so another big chunk of rets dps is being lost against non-undead targets. Looks like wo/ consecrate and exorcism/holly wrath rets dps now will be about ~2000DPS compared to the other dps classes ~3000DPS
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  • Hydraxis
  • 9. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:13:45 AM PDT
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It is painfully amusing that he is in a higher place in healing than he is in damage.
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  • Earthen Ring
  • 10. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:15:34 AM PDT
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To compensate they should drop Divine Storm back down to 20%, it's overpowered as-is.
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  • 11. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:16:44 AM PDT
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Sucks to be us.

Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, curb stomps the wicked.
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  • Blackrock
  • 13. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:20:05 AM PDT
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blizzard is not concern about us didn't you read that blue post, there only concerned about bugs.

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  • 15. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:23:39 AM PDT
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8th and 13th?

Rogues clearly need to be buffed.


When was the last time you met a good rogue and not one who was a mouth-breathing, keyboard-turning, moron?

The poster formerly known as Robotyts.
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  • Mug'thol
  • 16. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:25:56 AM PDT
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What's up with the abundance of hunter cries even though their consistently #1 (pve)

[ Post edited by Mcguirk ]

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  • Jubei'Thos
  • 17. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:26:19 AM PDT
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blizzard is not concern about us didn't you read that blue post, there only concerned about bugs.
Well, at least that was posted over on a forum where they were only interested in bug reports.
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  • Malygos
  • 18. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:27:07 AM PDT
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That WWS is actually NOT THAT BAD.

Seriously what it shows me is we need some minor buffs to offset the most recent nerf.

If the damage is buffed about 10% and the mana replenish is buffed about 5%, that seems about on.

Of course those are two very big IFS and hopefully they will make some changes.
Hopefully

EDIT : To further explain, if that pally is dpsing about 3% more of the time, and does about 10% more damage, he is cruising for the top 5. To be able to dps 3% more of the time his mana regen needs a slight tick upwards. With that change and some minor rebuffs to his damage, he is where ret should be.

[ Post edited by Hazzel ]

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  • Earthen Ring
  • 19. Re: Post 9138 build Nax WWS Parse (Ret Fails)   10/27/2008 06:29:38 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
What's up with the abundance of hunter cries even though their consistently #1 (pve)


Mostly PvP, hunters fail at arena and have for a long time.
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