Edit: Ended up going 10/7/44 with my Warglaive MH and Vengeful Shiv OH.

Brutallus - 3413 DPS: http://wowwebstats.com/4hkrrl2fznx5q?s=102125-121876
Twins - 2900 DPS: http://wowwebstats.com/4hkrrl2fznx5q?s=192812-210898
Kil'jaeden - 2819 DPS: http://wowwebstats.com/4hkrrl2fznx5q?s=257564-295335

Overall, it was a hell of a lot better than I was expecting from a Sub. spec with Shadowstep. The damage breakdowns are awesome, ~23% of my damage on was from Eviscerate, more than anything except white.

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So I want to try something different this week, just for the hell of it.

Right now I'm thinking of using this spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhxbZ0gZxbddhGzdAkVco
SnD and Evisc Glyphs. On the off chance I need to use something other than a finisher, I'll probably use Hemo since I won't have SftS or Puncturing Wounds. Depending on how fast the CP gen is, I will either stick with my Fang of Kalecgos MH (to keep deadly up, assuming I don't need to Hemo), or use my 'glaive (if I end up needing to generate CP).

The basic premise is that I'll be keeping SnD/Rupture up 100% of the time, with both fully talented. 34 Second SnD's and 90% damage buffed Ruptures, while spamming talented, glyphed Eviscerate on every* GCD. I'll also have DW Spec to keep white damage up.

* - assuming that HaT can do it's part.

Anyone see any glaring holes in that strategy/spec?

The CP gen is fast. The internal CD is based on a single player so in one second you could have 4 CPs from 4 different players. Now, I am not the best theorycrafter, but I would say keep with the glaives for the set bonuses (I think you have two, yeah?) and for Hemo as you'll probably cap out on energy if you don't. Check it out, I think you'll really like it. Yellow damage FTW.

Oh and another thing to consider is to take 2 out of RS as you are basing your CP generation off of other players and use the points in other places.

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The CP gen is fast. The internal CD is based on a single player so in one second you could have 4 CPs from 4 different players. Now, I am not the best theorycrafter, but I would say keep with the glaives for the set bonuses (I think you have two, yeah?) and for Hemo as you'll probably cap out on energy if you don't. Check it out, I think you'll really like it. Yellow damage FTW.

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I don't have both. I'd obviously go with that for the 200 AP and Haste if I did. =p

I'm decently sure that my raid can rock 5 crits per second ad infinitum, so I don't intend to use Hemo much, if at all. We tend to run with 3 rogues, 1 Mut, 1 Combat, plus me, 3 Hunters (do pets trigger HaT?), 1 Enh. Shaman, then the various people with 2Hs and casters.

I'm not really trying to use energy with this spec, with RS you should basically sit at 100 all the time if HaT is keeping up. SnD and Rupture are free, and you regen the 10 energy from Evisc during the GCD.

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Oh and another thing to consider is to take 2 out of RS as you are basing your CP generation off of other players and use the points in other places.

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There's nowhere else to put them. Opportunity is a waste as well, but you have to spend points somewhere.

i heard about the sub rogue doing 3400+ dps on brut with this.

keep up SnD, shadowstep rupture and evis spam, spec into any finisher you can + relentless strikes.

another bonus of this build is you can replace an evis with EA if you dont have a warrior in group, which will become much more common in wrath. crazy good spec for DPS and very versatile as well, im guessing this will either be nerfed or become the #1 spec come level 80

Edit: also, rather low-skill rotation, when compared with mutilates fluctuating CP gen and long list of buffs/debuffs to deal with

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I don't have both. I'd obviously go with that for the 200 AP and Haste if I did. =p

I'm decently sure that my raid can rock 5 crits per second ad infinitum, so I don't intend to use Hemo much, if at all. We tend to run with 3 rogues, 1 Mut, 1 Combat, plus me, 3 Hunters (do pets trigger HaT?), 1 Enh. Shaman, then the various people with 2Hs and casters.

I'm not really trying to use energy with this spec, with RS you should basically sit at 100 all the time if HaT is keeping up. SnD and Rupture are free, and you regen the 10 energy from Evisc during the GCD.

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Maybe you'll get the other soon! :)

If that's the case, then I would go DP/DP with daggers and shiv to keep up stacks every so often. You won't drain your energy and you'll be able to weave in Envenoms.

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There's nowhere else to put them. Opportunity is a waste as well, but you have to spend points somewhere.

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2 in slaughter from the shadows? or in precision?

EDIT: NVM, I understand :)

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Maybe you'll get the other soon! :)

If that's the case, then I would go DP/DP with daggers and shiv to keep up stacks every so often. You won't drain your energy and you'll be able to weave in Envenoms.

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Not worth it. DP/Wound will give more poison damage, and talent/glyph Evisc is better than Envenom, I'm pretty sure.

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2 in slaughter from the shadows? or in precision?

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They have to be at the top of Sub. to move down the tree.

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I had one of my Rogues do this for this week's raiding, for #@#*s & giggles. It's terrible on trash, obviously, but he did fairly well on bosses (still in top 5) and had a lot of fun.

Completely useless for anything other than raiding, but he got a big kick out of the novelty.

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Same spec, or was he 10/0/51 ShD? I was originally thinking about that, but changed it around to be more of a pure boss-damage spec with 0 use in other areas (lol).

I was thinking something similar to what you're doing, the difference is i'm going to try with this build:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhg00xZZe0rbhhkdVuAco

so basically i'll just be keeping SnD up, then Evis spamming. I went for the crit bonus due to me now gemming heavily in AGI to give me close to 40% crit + 10% from the glyph + 5% from druid buff. Keep this thread alive i'd like to hear how your build works out.

P.S. The reason i'm trying the above build is it also functions very well in pvp.

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I was thinking something similar to what you're doing, the difference is i'm going to try with this build:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhg00xZZe0rbhhkdVuAco

so basically i'll just be keeping SnD up, then Evis spamming. I went for the crit bonus due to me now gemming heavily in AGI to give me close to 40% crit + 10% from the glyph + 5% from druid buff. Keep this thread alive i'd like to hear how your build works out.

P.S. The reason i'm trying the above build is it also functions very well in pvp.

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Lethality only affects builders though, and ideally I won't be using any, ever.

My question is whether or not Evis is doing well at the moment. I'm sure we've all popped a 5 point Evis at some point and seen 3 digits of damage done when we could have SSed or Hemo-ed for 4 digits. With Imp Evis and the glyph, is it doing well?

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My question is whether or not Evis is doing well at the moment. I'm sure we've all popped a 5 point Evis at some point and seen 3 digits of damage done when we could have SSed or Hemo-ed for 4 digits. With Imp Evis and the glyph, is it doing well?

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http://wowwebstats.com/uuwsvcwroxgb3?ab=26865

Neither of us were talented or glyphed in that raid (and those aren't all 5 pointers).

The implications of this at 80 are... interesting. With level 80 you can get Imp Eviscerate and Blood Splatter from Assassination then stick 20 in Combat for Dual Wield Spec, Imp SnD, 3 in Precision, 5% crit from CQC, then 15% more Eviscerate dmg from Aggression, and still get down to HAT in Sub.

It's almost perfect! 7/20/44

That is one powerful eviscerate! So is the strategy to keep up Rupture, SnD, and spam Eviscerates at 5 CP only? You said you'd ignore energy, but I would toss in Hemos when I was topped out. The debuff would add significant raid damage.

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http://wowwebstats.com/uuwsvcwroxgb3?ab=26865

Neither of us were talented or glyphed in that raid (and those aren't all 5 pointers).

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Wow, that's a hell of a lot better than what I expected.

Another point is that the Evis is only going to cost 10 energy (assuming 5 pts every time) so DPE should be significantly higher than w/ hemo