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  • Sisters of Elune
  • 0. [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   06/29/2007 04:34:48 PM PDT
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I'm not sure if this is supposed to happen or not, but Touch of Weakness will break the concentration spell Mind Flay. Here are the steps to reproduce:

1) Put on the buff Touch of Weakness (my priest currently uses rank 3)
2) Put on the buff Power Word: Shield (my priest uses rank 5)
3) Enter combat with a target that is at range by using Mind Flay (my priest uses rank 2)
4) Have the mob hit you BEFORE you have completed the channelling of Mind Flay.
5) Notice the spell break before complete.
6) Sob uncontrollably :P

Basically, mobs hitting on the priest while PW: S is up (without ToW) will never break the channelling of Mind Flay. Having ToW on makes it seem like the priest casts a new spell on the target and interrupts the current channelling.

The reason I believe this is a bug is that performing the same step while casting a normal spell with a cast time (e.g. Mind Blast) does not interrupt that spellcast.
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  • Sisters of Elune
  • 1. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   06/29/2007 04:41:26 PM PDT
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After continuing to play for a bit, I'm pretty sure ToW is also interrupting wand auto-shoot. I always have to turn wanding back on.
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  • 2. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   06/29/2007 04:59:51 PM PDT
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Touch of Weakness breaking wanding is a known issue, is on the sticky at the top of the forum and will be fixed in a future patch.

Touch of weakness breaking channeling spells is not strictly a bug, It is a limitation of the ability. Because of the way the ability is designed the designers had to choose between breaking channeling or not working with most other effects. They chose to let it break channeling.

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  • Thaurissan
  • 3. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   06/29/2007 06:36:01 PM PDT
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but shadowguard doesn't break channelling does it? thats B.S. put a limit on the spell or some crap it breaking channeled spells can mean death in pvp.
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  • Medivh
  • 4. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/01/2007 12:30:24 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Touch of Weakness breaking wanding is a known issue, is on the sticky at the top of the forum and will be fixed in a future patch.

Touch of weakness breaking channeling spells is not strictly a bug, It is a limitation of the ability. Because of the way the ability is designed the designers had to choose between breaking channeling or not working with most other effects. They chose to let it break channeling.
Why not just rewrite the code to work like the Mage frost/ice armor spell? The effect procs randomly on damage, and as far as I know, doesn't break Arcane Missiles.

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  • 5. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/01/2007 12:33:55 AM PDT
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Next time just don't use ToW. Waste of mana anyway :p

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  • 7. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/01/2007 07:08:10 AM PDT
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Before I say the following, please understand, I am not a programmer and know next to nothing about code. I do, however, have an idea on why ToW might be bugged atm and other proc spells people have mentioned may not be. Shot in the dark, but hell, who knows, maybe I'm right.

I have noticed that ToW has 2 animations (I play undead priest, dunno about blood elf); 1 for when you cast the buff (hands up, shadow glow around hands), and a separate one when it procs (one arm thrown forwards, same animation as mind flay). What if that second animation, when it procs, is causing the problem? When you are mind flaying, your arm is extended forwards. Then, when ToW procs, your character has to stop that motion in order to start the ToW proc animation. It may be a silly notion to someone who is more familiar with how it actually works, but from a layman's point of view it kinda makes sense. The solution, thus, would also be simple: just remove the proc animation.

This might also explain why the proc isn't being applied when the priest is mounted (the buff is consumed but the debuff is not applied). Being mounted, the priest cant make the casting motion, so the debuff isn't applied.

[edit]: added the last bit.

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  • Medivh
  • 8. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/01/2007 11:14:10 AM PDT
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Why not make it work like any other damage shield? Would something like Gift of Arthas work in a similar fashion?
Excellent question. I'll check to see if Gift of Arthas is also impacted next time I'm online.

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  • 9. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/01/2007 11:53:37 AM PDT
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on a related note ( and im not sure if this has been posted here or not, sry i didnt have time to search)

it seems that the damage that reflective shield causes ( and possibly shadowguard too) is eating up the inner focus charge

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  • 11. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/02/2007 06:18:10 AM PDT
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It's not a limitation.

They screwed something up and are pulling the "working as intended card" until they fix it, at which point they can play the "Look, we listened to you guys and decided to change things! Aren't we awesome!?" card.

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  • Spirestone
  • 12. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/02/2007 07:00:09 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Touch of Weakness breaking wanding is a known issue, is on the sticky at the top of the forum and will be fixed in a future patch.

Touch of weakness breaking channeling spells is not strictly a bug, It is a limitation of the ability. Because of the way the ability is designed the designers had to choose between breaking channeling or not working with most other effects. They chose to let it break channeling.


Thats a bogus answer dude. Touch of Weakness hasn't done this at all since release until now. How can it be a limitation of the ability when it never did it before?

Besides, wouldn't this problem be fixed with channeling when its fixed with wands? Seems pretty clear to me its the same issue causing this - the priest is now "casting" touch of weakness instead of proccing it like it should.
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  • Deathwing
  • 13. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/02/2007 06:27:25 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Besides, wouldn't this problem be fixed with channeling when its fixed with wands? Seems pretty clear to me its the same issue causing this - the priest is now "casting" touch of weakness instead of proccing it like it should.


Exactly.

ToW and SG never EVER broke mind flay (ESPECIALLY with a shield up) until a couple of patches ago. So please don't insult us by pulling that card.

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  • Darrowmere
  • 14. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/10/2007 09:52:23 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Touch of Weakness breaking wanding is a known issue, is on the sticky at the top of the forum and will be fixed in a future patch.

Touch of weakness breaking channeling spells is not strictly a bug, It is a limitation of the ability. Because of the way the ability is designed the designers had to choose between breaking channeling or not working with most other effects. They chose to let it break channeling.


So... it's okay for touch of weakness and shadowguard to break channeling, but breaking auto-wand is taking it too far?

I'm sorry, I don't understand your logic.
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  • 15. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/13/2007 11:02:51 PM PDT
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I think Trolls are having the same issue too with Shadow Guard.

Sure, it's your $14.95 a month to play as you want, but in a group it's our $59.80 and we think you're retarded.
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  • 16. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/23/2007 09:51:51 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Touch of weakness breaking channeling spells is not strictly a bug, It is a limitation of the ability. Because of the way the ability is designed the designers had to choose between breaking channeling or not working with most other effects. They chose to let it break channeling.
why do your designers even have to "chose" between it working with either mechanic? it seems that if such a huge limitation exists that forces your designers to chose between breaking one mechanic or the other, that limitation should be the first thing getting fixed.

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  • 17. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/23/2007 09:43:13 PM PDT
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An update on this would be great Hortus. I have tried to centralize feedback at the link below. Everyone that actually plays a shadow priest agrees that this change has broken the abilities in question. If nothing else, we beg of you to change our reactive abilities back to function like every other class's. Fire shield doesn't break a warlock's channeled spells. Molten armor doesn't break a mage's channeled spells. Thorns doesn't break a druid's channeled spells. This change really came out of left field, and it is extremely debilitating to certain races of shadow priests. It doesn't matter that shadowguard can now proc Eye of Mag or the Darkmoon Card: Crusade because the change means I have to stop buffing myself with shadowguard in the first place.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=116241646&sid=1&pageNo=1
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  • 18. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/23/2007 10:07:26 PM PDT
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An update on this would be great Hortus. I have tried to centralize feedback at the link below. Everyone that actually plays a shadow priest agrees that this change has broken the abilities in question. If nothing else, we beg of you to change our reactive abilities back to function like every other class's. Fire shield doesn't break a warlock's channeled spells. Molten armor doesn't break a mage's channeled spells. Thorns doesn't break a druid's channeled spells. This change really came out of left field, and it is extremely debilitating to certain races of shadow priests. It doesn't matter that shadowguard can now proc Eye of Mag or the Darkmoon Card: Crusade because the change means I have to stop buffing myself with shadowguard in the first place.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=116241646&sid=1&pageNo=1


gotta love the double standard

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  • Laughing Skull
  • 19. Re: [BUG] PW: S, Touch of Weakness, Mind Flay   07/23/2007 11:36:52 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Touch of Weakness breaking wanding is a known issue, is on the sticky at the top of the forum and will be fixed in a future patch.

Touch of weakness breaking channeling spells is not strictly a bug, It is a limitation of the ability. Because of the way the ability is designed the designers had to choose between breaking channeling or not working with most other effects. They chose to let it break channeling.


or have it not be broken at all?
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