I just watched the Blizzcon PVP panel videos on Youtube, and I am DISGUSTED by the attitude of the developers towards balancing classes. Please note that this is NOT about the OPness of warlocks, I"m merely using warlocks as an example to demonstrate Blizzard's ignorance towards PVP balance of difference scales


The said videos, a series of 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbolVrSOO0



Tom Chilton basically said, it's OK warlocks are OP in 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3, as long as they aren't over represented in 5v5, we have no plans of fixing them.

Tom Chilton said Warlocks are "supposed to be the most powerful class in duels and 1v1 pvp, but WoW pvp is not about dueling". Well for starters, most of the world PVP encounters ARE one on one, and what balance is there if one class can dominate another class entirely due to poorly designed class mechanism? Most players don't get to play 5v5 arenas, and their only PVP encounters are from fighting similar leveled players of the other faction in the questing zone.

Secondly, Tom Chilton said Warlocks' power in one on one CARRIES OVER to 2v2 and 3v3 in Arenas, but because Warlocks aren't over represented in 5v5, this is acceptable too. Well news flash Mr. Chilton, 2v2 and 3v3 Arena teams, although not as much as 5v5, get arena ratings too. So why should points earned in a unbalanced PVP bracket be redeemed for the top items in the game? It simply defies all logic, but he brushes it off so casually like it is of no concern.


Last but not least, Tom Chilton said "I tried the "HUTER THING", and just couldn't do it." This is solid evidence that the lead designers don't play the hunter class at all and has no idea how the core mechanism of the class is flawed and has no plans to look into it. Frankly this is a huge insult to the hunter class, even Blizzard lead designers think the class is a joke.

It's fine, l2p

While you may be a tad overdramatic, the huge numbers of 1 on 1 fights, which many servers are designed around, make it piss poor game design to have no balance at all for small scale pvp.

Im not talking about warlocks at all, Im just saying I agree its stupid to say a complete imbalance is ok.

Bleh.

A healer will almost never be able to win 1v1, because we're built around sustaining a team and not dealing damage. Does that mean all healers need a mega huge buff? No, because it's not balanced around 1v1.

It's fine, qq more.

The funny thing is, the lead designers have said since the very beginning that PvP is not balanced around 1v1. Of course the best soloing a dueling class in the game is going to do better in 1v1 and very small group PvP. (i.e. 2v2 and to some extent 3v3.) But as warlocks have said since forever, warlocks suck in group PvP (5+v5+). Just because you didn't listen, doesn't make this news, or any sort of problem.

In short, warlocks are fine, l2p.

[edit]: forgot the word "since"

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I just watched the Blizzcon PVP panel videos on Youtube, and I am DISGUSTED by the attitude of the developers towards balancing classes. Please note that this is not just about warlocks


The said videos, a series of 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azbolVrSOO0



Tom Chilton basically said, it's OK warlocks are OP in 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3, as long as they aren't over represented in 5v5, we have no plans of fixing them.

Tom Chilton said Warlocks are "supposed to be the most powerful class in duels and 1v1 pvp, but WoW pvp is not about dueling". Well for starters, most of the world PVP encounters ARE one on one, and what balance is there if one class can dominate another class entirely due to poorly designed class mechanism? Most players don't get to play 5v5 arenas, and their only PVP encounters are from fighting similar leveled players of the other faction in the questing zone.

Secondly, Tom Chilton said Warlocks' power in one on one CARRIES OVER to 2v2 and 3v3 in Arenas, but because Warlocks aren't over represented in 5v5, this is acceptable too. Well news flash Mr. Chilton, 2v2 and 3v3 Arena teams, although not as much as 5v5, get arena ratings too. So why should points earned in a unbalanced PVP bracket be redeemed for the top items in the game? It simply defies all logic, but he brushes it off so casually like it is of no concern.

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Small-scale PvP is basically rock-paper-scissors, it has always been like that and always will be. Warlocks are not unbeatable to any degree, but yes they are powerful.

What do you purpose to do to fix Warlocks in smaller scale PvP without ruining them in raids, instances, 5v5, and BGs? Balance is not exactly an easy thing.

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Last but not least, Tom Chilton said "I tried the "HUTER THING", and just couldn't do it." This is solid evidence that the lead designers don't play the hunter class at all and has no idea how the core mechanism of the class is flawed and has no plans to look into it. Frankly this is a huge insult to the hunter class, even Blizzard lead designers think the class is a joke.

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God forbid he jokes around ><
Clearly Tom is the only developer of this game.

Its true mosts of the encounters in the world are 1v1. However, what's the chance of you running into a warlock? If you know its a warlock and you believe they are Op'ed in 1v1, why engage? Hell, most Alliance I run into at Ogri'la quests just ignore me.

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Chilton's words translated: "My main is a Warlock"

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His daughter actually, and no translation needed, he said it very clearly in an interview with some game mag.

And how exactly do you propose to balance 1v1, 2v2 and to a lesser extent 3v3 without making every class carbon copies of each other?

It's easy to complain, coming up with solutions is hard.

destruction locks scare me more than affliction. destro locks are like LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL INSTA 3kDMG and im sitting there crying :'(

The game plays out differently for various group sizes. As mentioned, should I get uber buffed because I can't compete against anyone 1v1? It's only fair, right?

Adjusting balance to reduce their power in 1v1 would alter their gameplay everywhere else. Most world PvP, for what it's worth, is pointless. I'd hate for the game to be entirely balanced on the assumption it's one guy getting the jump on someone else, because I'm sure it'd ruin group gameplay.

Their power in the smaller brackets is directly connected to the power of fear and DoTs with fewer ways of mitigating them then in larger groups.

Warlocks were powerful pre tbc., If anyone of them say different the people are liars. Everyone knew it and rolled a warlock for ego and easymode.

But people keep complaining about warlocks in arena 2v2 and 3v3. LOL guess you didnt play before TBC?

went into arena on the beta. What a joke. shadow priest and a warlock combo. Two feartards or two of them and a war. again What a joke Blizzard made of PvP

Do you know what perfect balance means? Everyone spamming the same skill over and over and popping potions.