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  • Stonemaul
  • 0. Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 10:22:39 PM PDT
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There's been a lot of threads lately as more people spec balance about how to gear up for endgame raiding. Here's a post you can link to threads asking oft-repeated questions. Maybe I'll make a comprehensive post about moonkin as a whole one day, but for now... this is about how to DPS (along with some extra advice).

First thing to note is that the advice is based on this premise:
(1) You are gearing up for PVE raiding. Nothing I say is fully applicable to 5-man instances or PVP.
(2) You have a minimum of 700 spell damage when raid buffed.
(3) You've picked up your moonkin idols - http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31025 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27518

Damage vs. Crit vs. Hit
This is probably the most common question asked. To make a long story short, Hit > Damage > Crit. Always - casting rotation does not matter. It is irrefutable, and though streaks of good or bad luck might give you a fight with skewed data, the relationship among hit, damage, and crit holds true overall. Note that this is only on a 'per-point' basis. A fairly good ballpark conversion is: 1 point of spell hit = 1.15 points of spell damage, and 1 point of spell crit = 0.65 points of spell damage.

A sidenote: This is true on raid boss mobs. Trash mobs do not require the same level of hit, and you can take off 'hit gear' for those mobs. However most people will just have a single set of raid gear, and the difficulty of trash mobs usually don't merit specifically putting together a second set of non-hit gear. Arvont has a nice easy-to-acquire spell hit gear list later in this post, reply #24. Link: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=112631617&sid=1&pageNo=2#24

Spellfire?
Spellfire is a viable option, as proven by Horao. It is not, however, a very good option, unless if you have a lot of money and do not mind swapping it for upgrades once your guild reaches SSC/TK, or if you know that your guild will be in Karazhan for a while. The arcane damage on spellfire is great, but it is inflexible, does not work with insect swarm or healing, and there are few stats on the set.

Enchants
These are the best enchants, per slot, for a moonkin:
Helm - Glyph of Power
Cloak - Subtlety
Chest - Enchant Mana Prime
Bracers - Spellpower
Gloves - Spellpower
Legs - Runic Spellthread
Boots - Vitality
Weapon - Major Spellpower
An alternative enchant for the weapon is spellsurge; however, in my experience so far, I haven't really found a need for it. Your mileage may vary, pending on your MP5, how much you invest in your consumables, and your group composition on a normal raid day.

What's Spell Penetration? Spell Hit?
Spell penetration does absolutely nothing in PVE. It is a counter to resistance, yet it has no bearing against a raid boss as base resistances are unmitigatable - not even by warlock curses. Spell hit on the other hand, does plenty - it mitigates your "misses" that show up as "resist". You have a 17% chance to miss against a raid boss at level 70, and there is a 1% base chance to miss. This means that to maximize hit, you have 16% to go. As every balance druid (no exceptions) should have 2/2 balance of power, this translates into requiring about 151 hit rating to hit the cap. Note that the hit rating you need also depends on your group composition - having a draenei and/or an elemental shaman with totem of wrath in your group will require you to have less spell hit to reach the cap. So gear accordingly if you have a fairly static raid group makeup.

Leather vs Cloth
Armor is more than a classification - it's a stat. As such, it should be weighted as you would weigh stamina, spell damage, intellect, etc. Unforunately for armor, it has little to no weight in a PVE setting. So in short, wear cloth if it's better than leather, or wear leather if it's better than cloth. For endgame raiding, this translates into wearing cloth apart from tier sets; and even then, the tier 4 gloves and leggings are not worth wearing.

Nature's Grace
This does not reduce global cooldown. Your wraths will still fire off at an average of 1.5 seconds, even if they crit every single time.

Subtlety
Subtlety is not required for any raid until you enter TK or get into late SSC. Having a good tank and keeping and eye on the threat meter is all that is required. I did not touch subtlety until two days ago, and I'm sitting at over +1300 spell damage in a raid without pulling aggro and still hitting high on the damage meters. If you "really" need subtlety to stay safe in early raiding, it's time to re-evaluate what you're doing wrong instead of respeccing to get a stopgap fix.

Casting Rotations
Pending on gear level, wrath may out-DPS starfire in a raid or vice versa. It doesn't matter, as the DPS is close enough to where it's insignificant. How much DPS easch rotation outputs is a result of how many casts you are able to land.

The most common casting rotation is this: IS/MF/SFx3
The highest DPS casting rotation is this: IS/MF/Wx6
The highest DPM casting rotation is this: IS/SFx4

The DPS difference among various casting rotations is not very large, so your priorities when picking a rotation are (1) mana efficiency, and (2) mobility. What do I use? I generally use IS/MF/SFx3; IS/MF/Wx6 is for fights that require more movement.

Stopcasting?
Lag plays a role in the DPS you can put out. A way to address this and minimize that impact is through a /stopcasting macro. For more information, visit this thread: http://elitistjerks.com/f32/t12079-how_use_stopcasting_maximize_dps/

People with low latency can opt not to use the macro, but players on slower connections (and especially Australian players) will want to use this macro to push out significantly more DPS.

I need gear to shoot for
First, check out the balance equipment list:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=106672385&sid=1&pageNo=1
Then, look at the armories of some players. There's my gear (I am now Nethaera on the Garithos server), but here's a few more links to PVE moonkin:
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Madrox
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skullcrusher&n=Caliane
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dethecus&n=Skeldi
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kel%27Thuzad&n=Horao

What gems?
Yellow sockets should be veiled noble topaz.
Red sockets should be either veiled noble topaz or living rubies.
Blue sockets, if the socket bonus is worth it, should be glowing nightseyes, although dazzling talasites are not a bad choice if you have major issues with mana.

I do awful DPS. I am out of mana. My dog hates me.

If you have low DPS, it might be because:
(1) You had to shift out and battlerez/heal
(2) You ran out of mana
(3) Your gear is not good enough.

If you run out of mana, it might be because:
(1) You aren't using the correct consumables
(2) You don't have enough MP5
(3) Your casting rotation is incorrect.
Apart from fixing casting rotation, a quick fix would be to get a weapon with a lot of spirit and then equip it during an innervate.

If your dog hates you, it might be because:
(1) You're kicking it.

I'll add some more if anything comes to mind, but I think this is the bulk of the "Frequently Asked Questions" from balance druids on the forums.

[ Post edited by Sapphiron ]


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  • 1. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 10:38:58 PM PDT
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Just what I needed =)

Thank-you

I'm starting Kara on this char tomorrow night. I will see how it goes xD

BOOOOOOMKIN PWER!!!!
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  • Dragonblight
  • 2. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 10:51:53 PM PDT
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I'd like to say thanks to you and Mad, as of the last few weeks, i have been intently trying to read through the pages upon pages of bs, and find you and him consistantly enlightening the rest of us... i've been resto ever since i raided mc back in the begginning, but the more i try and stalk the two of you to pick your brains, the more i want to lean in this direction... so keep up the great / informative posts. Thanks, Tru!
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  • Dethecus
  • 3. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 11:01:12 PM PDT
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  • Dethecus
  • 4. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 11:06:12 PM PDT
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I do believe 6 stats to chest yields a higher output though than mana prime (but only by a fraction of a point). It really depends how you rate stamina. Even using 1 stam = .25 it rates higher.

Skeldikin
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dethecus&n=Skeldi
Wrath affected by GCD under Nature's Grace (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93031997&sid=1
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  • Dath'Remar
  • 5. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 11:10:33 PM PDT
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Nice post
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  • 6. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 11:19:27 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:

If your dog hates you, it might be because:
(1) You're kicking it.



I lol'ed

Thank you for this post, very informative, without being too incredibly long. I <3 you.

Your mom is overpowered.

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  • 7. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 11:21:44 PM PDT
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Get the Epic Staff from Anetheron in Hyjal...

BOOOMKIN!
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  • 8. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/20/2007 11:27:16 PM PDT
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i just want to make a suggestion with a red socket. instead of using living rubies for the +9 spell damage you can get the Runed Ornate Ruby from BG quartermasters in either SW or Ogrimmar for about 7k honor.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28118

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  • Dath'Remar
  • 9. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 12:21:12 AM PDT
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Q u o t e:
i just want to make a suggestion with a red socket. instead of using living rubies for the +9 spell damage you can get the Runed Ornate Ruby from BG quartermasters in either SW or Ogrimmar for about 7k honor.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28118




those are unique, so you can have one

but the basic priniciple is Runed or Veiled gems for Red
Veiled gems for yellow
Glowing gems for blue
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  • 10. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 08:39:31 AM PDT
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Thanks so much Sapphiron! You're an inspiration. :)

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  • Lightning's Blade
  • 11. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 08:45:23 AM PDT
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i will be in one of those balance drood mentionings soon! lol that's my goal!

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  • 12. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 12:52:17 PM PDT
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Lots of good guides recently, thanks for this one ;)

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  • Skullcrusher
  • 13. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 03:09:40 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
I do believe 6 stats to chest yields a higher output though than mana prime (but only by a fraction of a point). It really depends how you rate stamina. Even using 1 stam = .25 it rates higher.



I like 6 stats. But really it only is better them mana primes 6mp/5 in very short fights.
Stats scale with kings, and imp spirit, but not that much.

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  • Shattered Hand
  • 14. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 03:42:31 PM PDT
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Thank you for the post :)

some new information in there for me.
if anyone could be so kind as to tell me next i should work on that would be nice >.>
(as far as my spec goes its pve for the most part, but i have my dirty pleasures of pvp/soloing hence the lack of balance of power)
And i know my staff is AWFUL but next week i'll have the merciless gladiator staff with +40 damage on it :) so that'll be a major upgrade :)

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I'm off to play Cookin' Mama!

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  • 15. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 04:02:33 PM PDT
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Nice post! ahw... how many dmg u starfire crit do? =p
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  • Mug'thol
  • 16. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 04:30:20 PM PDT
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Nice post Saph. I was curious about enchants, specifically spellsurge and its average increase to endurance. The armory links were a nice touch, gives me something to weep over everytime bosses ROLF me on drops.

"why i must spend 3 point in tier2 of the worst talent tree of the mmrpg history(Balance lawl) for use my BASE ability(THE SHAPESHIFTING)???" -LMAO...
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  • Lightninghoof
  • 17. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 05:36:01 PM PDT
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  • Dragonblight
  • 18. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 06:47:22 PM PDT
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Great post! You might encourage Moonkin to look into a mod called "Caster Weapon Swapper" which allows a Druid (or anyone) to pretty effectively use Spellsurge & Spell Power (and Mighty Intellect, Major Spirit...) without losing any GCDs.

link to CWS---> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4749-CasterWeaponSwapper.html
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  • Stonemaul
  • 19. Re: Maximizing Your Moonkin   06/21/2007 07:17:03 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Great post! You might encourage Moonkin to look into a mod called "Caster Weapon Swapper" which allows a Druid (or anyone) to pretty effectively use Spellsurge & Spell Power (and Mighty Intellect, Major Spirit...) without losing any GCDs.

link to CWS---> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4749-CasterWeaponSwapper.html


This is really neat stuff. I'm going to have to look into it when I get some time - maybe it'll work with wrath/starfire idol swapping...

@Skeldi - We chatted over AIM about the 6 stats vs. 6 MP5 a bit yesterday; Today I followed up and did a few calculations and 6 MP5 is better for sure. If you factor in stamina, it is a ~5% difference post-BoK; it is a ~20% difference if you only count it for 'DPS' purposes. At the same time, remember... this is 5-20% of difference on an enchant that really makes up a very small fraction of 1% of your total stats, so hairs are being split either way - 6 MP5 just turns out mathematicall better, but 6 stats doesn't really give you a noticeable loss if you wanted the benefit of some more spell damage and stamina.

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