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  • 0. ~~How to Deep Arcane in EndGame (UPDATED)~~    06/21/2007 11:02:22 AM PDT
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Here's a couple of vid's from the EU servers.

Deep arcane mage with T2 set bonus. This is a perfect example of how to play Deep Arcane in High Mobility / Ranged Fights. His Damage is Phenominal and he ends his fight with no mana and I'm betting #1 in DPS. He doesn't seem to be using the LC but it'd prbly just make his damage go up more.

Here are some WWS of Domin in:

Teron Gorefiend (Tank and Spank Fight) 379,058 Damage Done @ 1400 DPS SUSTAINED
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=61ddf1mps4dbw&s=0-279

Anetheron (Mt. Hyjial) 357,055 Damage Done @ 1545 DPS SUSTAINED
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=ncpj1j23hedf1&s=1483-1767

Rage Winterchil 302,951Damage Done @ 1602 DPS SUSTAINED
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=ctrfyvkjwpd6m&s=1096-1312

Hydros 466,202 Damage done @ 1038 DPS SUSTAINED
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=ce35z4e2ajkie&s=0-552


NEW ARCANE MOVIES

http://www.warcraftmovies.com/viewauthor.php?id=10779

This is the 49/12/0 Build Domin was using.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=oixVc0cdxIuioVxzz



P. S. Please Bump this thread if you found these videos informative, that way others may learn about this.

UPDATE: DOMIN RESPONDS TO QUESTIONS ON ARCANE RAIDING


Q u o t e:

Hey Necro!

Its true you don't see many arcane mages in raiding community, this is due to the overall preference that the best raiding build is deep fire, thats why i was fire in the Vashj movie, i respeced to try arcane after that kill (got tier5 head and it was my second part bonus). Many plp think arcane is #@%* spec for raiding but those plp actually never played a arcane mage in raiding, and one thing needs to be said, TIER 5 2 set bonus is a MUST!! Its the single highest dps increase for a class in WoW history, a mere 2 pieces of gear bonus increasing total dmg of a class by 10-15% is just :)

Anyway back to the point.

If you have tier 5 2 set you'll notice arcane doing very good dmg. The best rotation when your with shadow priest in group is 3xab, 1xam and scorch, this way you get max out of AB and still manage to cast first ab at 1.5sec with minimal mana cost due to putting in a scorch. Thats the theory and it works but there are some things to consider:

Clearcasts, haste procs (like the proc from my meta gem) and Bloodlust ofc.

Generally whenever you get a clearcast proc you WANT to do a AM, even if if %@%*s up your rotation, its just too good to pass up :) Exception to this is if you just use AP+Trinket, why? Well AB on AP cost is calculated from the base, so you'll get the best possible dps/dmp by stacking ab to 3x and then using ap+trinket and just ab spamming for 15 sec with a pom pyro at last second.

And if you get a meta gem proc that halves your cast time, USE AM!! Its just :) Pure pewpew and not limited by gcd like in ab case Sad

For bloodlust, i have to tell you i haven't found the optimal setup yet, if i ab i just get gcd limiting my dps;/ fireballing isn't efficient either due to lack of slacking without deep fire spec, the only choice would be to AM i guess, but i am still experimenting.

And one last thing, GEAR, arcane spec requires different gear kinda, you'll want to use a good pieces with spirit on them, socket gear with red gems for getting max out of your AM and to enable the haste meta gem to work since it requires more blue gems than yellow making yellow gems not optimal for that. Perfectly you'll want to be at the hit cap and not over it since you'll just loose itemization points then. Stats are very important, one thing that sucked for me when i was fire was lack of stats, sure i had good dps but meh low stamina, mana pool, nonexisting self regen sucked. Switching to arcane made me reconsider and i found it very good.

How arcane does vs fire on dmmeter?
It varies, but generally i found it to be superior to my dmg when i was fire and thats with all the utility it provides, ap, pom, silence!! and slow are very neat and you dont sacrifice dps for it. For example on our second Vashj kill i found that slow helped a lot when lock wasnt in range of coex for example. On that same kill i was nr 2 in dmg done, loosing slightly to affliction lock ( best class spec for this fight tbh, crazy dmg with all the targets to dot, i was surprised i almost evened with that tbh:) Here are some ss of arcane dps:

Here is the second vashj kill:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3223/wowscrnshot053107210254wq9.jpg

Detailed breakdown of my dmg by spell with crit rates:

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5963/wowscrnshot053107210357jd2.jpg

Alar
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7305/wowscrnshot053107222505ux4.jpg

Solarian (we use max dps zerg strat, thats after patch btw and i still died at like 25% due to 5k AM ticks....)
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9973/wowscrnshot060107000902ht8.jpg

This is Grull with some ab spamming Wink
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1268/wowscrnshot060207000156jf8.jpg

And some e-peen screen from SSC, check out +arcane dmg Wink
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4278/wowscrnshot053007203736bx1.jpg


Anyway to sum it up, arcane IS viable, it CAN outdmg fire, i'm still learning how to optimise it tho so its not perfect yet. It opens up a interesting gear choice and offers nice utility, + you can ocasionaly one shot plp with pyro Razz
AND it gives you the needed burst, which other specs lack Smile You dont have to respec for alar/hydross and IMBA THREAT REDUCTION!! I almost forgot about that, well 40% less threat is pure sweetness i tell you, but still you can pull aggro with some crazy dmg, i did that on morogrim lately....dont ask me how but apparently my dps was at that point hilarious Smile Or teh tank sucked but i doubt that....often you'll find yourself nuking to yout hearts consern while other plp need to watch ktm Smile Thats more dmg for you!

On the side note supply yourself with super mana pots, you saw how many i had on me in rage video Smile I dont have to use them most of the time tho Smile (I AM CHEAP I KNOW THAT)

Check out my alar vid to see more of arcane, and kael vid when its gona be up on warcraftmovies.com, but i die there to flamestrike ( yeah yeah i noobed out Razz)

P.S
Yeah it looks like we have now 3 arcane mages in guild Smile Magros took interest in it after i speced and we saw it in practice, he also got 2 part tier 5 bonus Smile Originally i used different meta gem for my spec but he convinced me that haste is better Smile ( + i was cheap since i had to resocket my gear to make meta work but it worked better than my old meta+gems so its imba) Now Xenja speced it apparently for Alar but i think he also saw the potential of this spec Smile

Its 4 am as i wrote this so pardon the typos and #@%* or if i missed something important, if i did tell me plx

-Domin


See this thread for more answers from Domin.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=115044047&postId=1147441228&sid=1#1

[ Post edited by Logun ]


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  • 1. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 11:30:02 AM PDT
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bumpity bump

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  • Staghelm
  • 2. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 11:54:17 AM PDT
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6k AB crits is hawt.

Even without AP, he was hitting 4.4k with AB. Lots of 1.7k arcane missile crits, too.

WTB 2 piece t5 bonus.

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  • 3. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 12:01:03 PM PDT
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Thanks. I've actually been for a videos of this for a while.

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  • 4. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 12:07:03 PM PDT
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Got any ideas what mods this guy was using? The only one I could really recognize was the combat text one.
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  • 5. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 12:16:32 PM PDT
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the chain of 1.5s 4700s at the end was awesome :)

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  • 6. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 12:51:22 PM PDT
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We have 5 raiding Mages, 4 of which are deep Arcane, 40 18 3.
The guild is currently 4 bosses into BT and 2 bosses into Hyjal.

I myself use a castsequence macro for my dps.

/castsequence reset=7/alt Arcane Blast(Rank 1), Arcane Blast(Rank 1), Arcane Blast(Rank 1), Fireball(Rank 13), Fireball(Rank 13)
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  • 7. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 12:54:34 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
the chain of 1.5s 4700s at the end was awesome :)


Yes, It was very sexy. I'm gonna try to get a hold of the damage meters on some of his runs. He did an excellent job on his fly by the seat of his pants casting.

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  • 8. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 01:05:12 PM PDT
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That was pretty cool. I got my piece t5 bonus a week ago, now I think I might spec arcane and try it out.
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  • 9. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 01:08:50 PM PDT
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Isn't there a chart that say's this is impossible? I know there's a graph somewhere... lol.
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  • 10. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 02:59:32 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
Isn't there a chart that say's this is impossible? I know there's a graph somewhere... lol.


Lol yeah, I'm looking for it too. He was also suppose to go OOM 4mins sooner. It must be HACKS.

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  • 11. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 03:21:23 PM PDT
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Lol yeah, I'm looking for it too. He was also suppose to go OOM 4mins sooner. It must be HACKS.


Looks like he has a shadow priest in his group

[ Post edited by Ganondorff ]

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  • 13. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 03:40:14 PM PDT
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With a Shadow Priest Arcane is good dps. Without one you'll likely run OOM. Hasn't this been covered?
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  • 14. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 03:47:24 PM PDT
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
He has the Serpent Coil Brand so his mana gems would be more effective... + pots + evocation + mage armor + the 15% arcane meditation+ blessing of wisdom , his mana regen is 309 not casting, 166 casting, and has 11816 mana. Of course these stats are while hes buffed, and he is not using a mainhand weapon on the armory at the moment..
But wow that is nice. 1383+ fire and arcane dmg , 28.47% crit chance.
Now this is how mages roll :O


Lol I was being scarcastic about the OOM.

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  • 15. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 03:50:37 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
With a Shadow Priest Arcane is good dps. Without one you'll likely run OOM. Hasn't this been covered?


Seriously doubt that. There wasn't even a JoW on the boss. The only reason he went OOM was b/c he intended too.


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  • 16. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 04:52:32 PM PDT
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/bump

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  • 17. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 05:17:33 PM PDT
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wow, Logun ty for posting this. This is good shlt.


Definitely worth the watch.

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  • 18. Re: SO, You want to See Deep Arcane End Game?   06/21/2007 09:19:41 PM PDT
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wow, Logun ty for posting this. This is good shlt.


Definitely worth the watch.



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  • 19. Re: ~~How to Deep Arcane in EndGame (VIDEOS)~   06/21/2007 10:11:49 PM PDT
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Fantastic Lurker video. ;)

In previous discussions with arcane mages, I've been told inserting scorch to cover the time gap between AM and the next AB-chain severely lowers the mana efficiency of the arcane mage. However, the mage in the Lurker video utilized scorch in his rotation (and even some straight AB spam) and didn't appear to have mana issues.

Since this thread is sure to attract the attention of deep arcane mages trumpeting the build, I'd like to take the opportunity to ask you for your opinion on the viability/worth (DPS and DPM-wise) of utilizing scorch in the arcane spell rotation (generally ABx2->AM->scorch or ABx3->AM->scorch) as opposed to just waiting out the time gap between AM and the next AB.

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