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I understand, that's why I would have done the same thing Stupid did. But the whole reasoning that refusing makes you look guilty makes me so angry I could throw up. I mean, by that reasoning people should have no problem letting several customs agents reading through their dairy. Personal things are personal, and just because it is someone in an official capsitiy that is reading it does not make it any better - it is still another human being going through your personal stuff without your concent and without justification.

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Then dont bring anyhting of an extreamly personal nature when you travel internationally.

I want to know if Cara turned out to be Carl.

Thanks man, thanks a million. That will go on my wall with the by line : Stupid~Orc Crasher of Planes

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I want to know if Cara turned out to be Carl.

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Cara is Cara; she's posted on this thread a few times. Go look, it's like a 20-pages-of-posts scavenger find. :P

That is unfortunate man. So you dropped your ibod on your own loaf? Hope you got new earbuds...wait your unemployed..gross!!!!!

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Then dont bring anyhting of an extreamly personal nature when you travel internationally.

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I wouldn't. But wouldn't it be nice if we were actually free to do so? Wouldn't it be nice if the US and Canadian governments were ran by people that actually valued and understood liberty and weren't scared beyond the ability to reason?

The real question they should have asked is , do you play Horde or alliance? If you had answered horde than obviously you are a terrorist and they shold have locked you up and thrown away the key.

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You sir, are awesome

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Thanks! But you quoted me before the finished (slightly edited) product, thus exposing my edit-for-five-minutes-after-posting habit. *sigh*

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"For a while?" The USA PATRIOT act had a "sunset clause" that was intended to make the laws only last "for a while." You see how well that went.

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Uh oh, the big scary Patriot Act is out to get you!

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And I'm sorry if you think the inability to bring liquids on a plane is the only civil rights we've been forced to relinquish since 9/11.

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Yeah, name a few then. See -- I don't consider that a civil right to begin with, and I highly doubt you'll be able to come up with any significant "rights" that have been "stripped" from you. Plus - I thought you weren't even from the US. A lot of your posts seem to contradict that (not just concern for our laws, etc., but things like concern for yourself under said laws and you even referred to the elected officials as YOUR Congress and President, etc.). Or did I misread something and you ARE from the US?

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I mean, by that reasoning people should have no problem letting several customs agents reading through their dairy.

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Funny you should mention that. There actually was at least one arrest I know of where a terrorist, who was doing suspicious things (like Stupid did, whether he meant to or not!) was stopped and he was carrying his laptop. A quick search and a view of his video journal (wherein he made a "suicide note" complete with "Allah Akbar" and "death to infidels"), and one horrid piece of human trash was taken off the street. I believe it also led to further arrests after some (no-doubt-not-in-friendly-tones! oh no) interrogation.

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I wouldn't. But wouldn't it be nice if we were actually free to do so? Wouldn't it be nice if the US and Canadian governments were ran by people that actually valued and understood liberty and weren't scared beyond the ability to reason?

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The liberty you speak of hasnt been possible in a long time, and i suspect will not be possible until human nature changes drasticly.... and i dont see that happening unfortunatly

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If you want to be technical like that, terrorists won on 09/11/2001

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Terrorists won because people like you gave in to the fear of what happened on 9/11/01, instead of addressing why it happened. Banning iPods won't fix the problem and shouldn't give a non-stupid person any peace of mind. But it did make for a tragically funny story, a legendary thread, and a haiku party. It almost makes up for the loss of our 1st and 4th amendments (and their foreign equivalents).

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Terrorists won because people like you gave in to the fear of what happened on 9/11/01, instead of addressing why it happened. Banning iPods won't fix the problem and shouldn't give a non-stupid person any peace of mind. But it did make for a tragically funny story, a legendary thread, and a haiku party. It almost makes up for the loss of our 1st and 4th amendments (and their foreign equivalents).

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I know why 09/11/01 happened... the Cold War... had it not been for the American compition with the Soviet Union, i doubt 09/11/01 would have happened

At least you named your Avatar appropriately. Imagine the other end of the story.

"Hi honey, how was work today?"

"Some "stupid" guy dropped his Ipod in an airline toilet and my entire squad had to spend 3 hours with protocol. "

"Wow, how can anyone be that stupid?"

"Beats me, we tried to at least pin some kiddy porn on him for wasting our time but he turned out to be clean. I bet he learned to check his turds for strays like the rest of us."

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But it did make for a tragically funny story, a legendary thread, and a haiku party. It almost makes up for the loss of our 1st and 4th amendments (and their foreign equivalents).

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Thats true, and it's not like anyone other than hippies, pornographers, pedos, criminals, and other deviants were even using those amendments anyway.

Haiku > Cilvil liberty > Pie > Cake

EDIT: mmm, the profanity filter has its boot on my neck again

Reading comprehension for the loss? He's a US citizen who went on vacation to Canada. It's usually helpful to actually RTFA before letting loose a tirade of indignant conservative justifications for why everything about this was groovy and the tree-hugging liberals should just settle down. Stupid's post was remarkably free of political bias given what he endured.

People who need to turn everything into a left versus right battle drive me insane.

"You so stupid!"

"No, you so stupid!"

Sheesh. Just give it a rest.

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Then dont bring anyhting of an extreamly personal nature when you travel internationally.

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Also, if you're not looking to be physically violated, don't ever be a girl or wear a dress. And if you're afraid of identity theft, never use the internet or a credit card. But don't carry cash, or it's your own fault if you're mugged. Because living any kind of life means you asked for all the bad things that will ever happen to you.

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Terrorists won because people like you gave in to the fear of what happened on 9/11/01, instead of addressing why it happened. Banning iPods won't fix the problem and shouldn't give a non-stupid person any peace of mind.

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Who said anything about banning iPods? And this "terrorists win" thing is just going too far nowadays. It made perfect sense when the phrase was first used - the terrorists want us terrified, so go about your business as best you can, but by all means, still use your brains and try to STOP terrorism and increase security. Stupid may not think so, but it is quite possible to defend freedom and be VERY aggressive - more than we are now, in fact - to stop terrorism.

Remember that little incident in the UK a short while ago? Yeah, where the enemy (my enemy and yours, whether you'll step up to the plate to stop them or not) tried to blow up US commercial airliners? Many of the methods used to uncover that plot would be considered illegal in the U.S. We aren't doing ENOUGH, my friends.

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Yeah, name a few then.

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Well, let's see here.

- The Patriot Act authorizes "surreptitious search warrants and seizures upon a showing of reasonable necessity and eliminates the requirement of Rule 41 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure that immediate notification of seized items be provided"

- Search warrants no longer need to come from public courts in certain cases; now they can be authorized by FISC's, whose proceedings are not a matter of public record.

- No longer does the victim of a search and seizure need to be notified of such in every instance.

- Let's not forget the infamous Section 215, that created the library fiasco. The FBI can obtain "in camera" warrants for library/bookstore records for people suspected of terrorism.

Those four points are in direct violation of the fourth amendment, protecting us against unreasonable search and seizure, yet no one in the Supreme Court seems to care. So much for habeas corpus.

- With the possibility of citizens being labeled as "enemy combatants", the fifth amendment's promise of due process of law for all citizens is out the window. Same with the sixth amendment guarantee of a trial.

Remember David Sobel? In 2005 he used the FOIA to discover that the FBI was monitoring 13 **US citizens** without their knowledge. That's all kinds of wrong.

The PATRIOT ACT can be used to force businesses to hand over non-pertinent records without a warrant, and has been used multiple times against ISP's to obtain private information about their customers.

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Thanks! But you quoted me before the finished (slightly edited) product, thus exposing my edit-for-five-minutes-after-posting habit. *sigh*


Uh oh, the big scary Patriot Act is out to get you!


Yeah, name a few then. See -- I don't consider that a civil right to begin with, and I highly doubt you'll be able to come up with any significant "rights" that have been "stripped" from you. Plus - I thought you weren't even from the US. A lot of your posts seem to contradict that (not just concern for our laws, etc., but things like concern for yourself under said laws and you even referred to the elected officials as YOUR Congress and President, etc.). Or did I misread something and you ARE from the US?


Funny you should mention that. There actually was at least one arrest I know of where a terrorist, who was doing suspicious things (like Stupid did, whether he meant to or not!) was stopped and he was carrying his laptop. A quick search and a view of his video journal (wherein he made a "suicide note" complete with "Allah Akbar" and "death to infidels"), and one horrid piece of human trash was taken off the street. I believe it also led to further arrests after some (no-doubt-not-in-friendly-tones! oh no) interrogation.

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You sound like one of these people that say "hey, i WANT the government to monitor my every move! I am doing nothing wrong! If it means stopping 1 scumbag, every freedom we have should be removed!

Here ya go. Since you are in disbelief of the civil liberties thing. Some of us realize civil liberties are being stripped from us 1 by 1. Fortunately the Judicial Branch is finally getting off their duff and starting some checks and balances.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/17/AR2006081700650.html

Also you don't see a problem with them questioning him about porn on his computer? Or what he thought of our government's foreign policy? Wow guess about 65% of America would be considered terrorists judging by the fact about that many are against the war in Iraq and the way our government is being run right now.

I agree they had a right to be concerned about an object in the toilet. And they did the right thing diverting the flight and all. I question some of the stuff that happened after that, with the uppity attitude of the questioners, and the line of questions asked, as well as the laptop search for porn.

See, many of us realize powers that apply at first only to "the war on terror" eventually start to apply to the "war on pot smokers" or the "war on speeding" or "the war on banned sex in your own home". '

Here is an old paraphrase of a wise man's quote...a founding father in case you think some left wing liberal came up with it (the concept is probably shocking to you):
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"