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  • 0. 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:33:12 PM PDT
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Was just playing around on Wowhead and came up with a gear set that gives passive 100% (actually it was closer to 107%) miss+dodge+parry+block, essentially making you immune to crits and crushings at all times, leaving your only source of incoming damage as blocked attacks and magic damage.

Now it is mostly cutting edge gear, barring a few blues with high avoidance and block rating, and requires 12 of the +10 (epic crafted)defense gems, but has no enchants nor weapon (only shield) taken into consideration either, so there is a bit of leeway to play with here and there. I just picked the item for the slot that gave the most avoidance+block, ignoring all other considerations, so some modification to the list may be desireable to boost other stats.

I think all of the gear is available to both factions and both shattrath factions (aldor/scryer) but I didn't really look. If not, I'm sure there are pieces that could be substituted.

The gear set assumes the following:
-The warrior in question has max 350/350 base defense skill.
-The Warrior class has a base 5% miss, 5% parry and 5% block and a 0% base chance to dodge, for 15% base avoidance+block.
-The warrior, being a responsible tank, maximises the avoidance available to his build and specs 5/5 deflection, 5/5 shield specialisation and 5/5 avoidance for an additonal 10% avoidance and 20 defense skill. 20*.04 for each of miss, dodge, parry and block gives another 3.2% avoidance +block for a total of 28.2% before gear.
-The agility to dodge ratio is approximately 27.5 to 1% dodge, as determined by dividing my agility by my dodge%. Agility contributes very little to the gear set however(93 agility total), so if this value is slightly off, it won't have much overall effect.

The gear required is as follows:
Phoenix Wing Cloak http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29925
Onslaught Chestguard http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30976
Boots of the Resilient http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32267
Onslaught Handguards http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30970
Onslaught Greathelm http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30974
Destroyer Legguards http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30116
Onslaught Shoulderguards http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30980
Crimson Girdle of the Indomitable http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28566
Wristguards of Determination http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32515
Shield of the Wayward Footman http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31200
Seventh Ring of the Tirisfalen http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30028
Andormu's Tear http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29323
Shadowmoon Insignia http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32501
Figurine of the Colossus http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27529
Thick Lionseye X12 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32208

The gear gives a total of:
-463 (343+120 for the gems) defense rating (463/2.4 *0.04 * 4 = 30.87% avoidance +block)
-131 dodge rating (131/18.9 = 6.93% avoidance)
-59 parry rating (59/22.4 = 2.63% avoidance)
-276 block rating (276/7.9 = 34.94% block)
-93 agility for approximately 3% more dodge (actually more if my value is correct , wich I suspect it isn't as it seems to vary from armory page to armory page, warrior to warrior)
-+ our 28.2% base+talents value from above

This is a total of 106.57% avoidance with no enchants and no weapon, and it still maintains the (now unnecessary with 100% avoidance) defense skill 490 minimum (actually well exceeds with ~563 defense skill).

As mentioned before there is plenty of leeway for minor alterations.
Switching the epic +10 defense rating gems for the blue +8 defense rating variety , a change of 24 defense rating, drops the total down to 104.97% avoidance +block for example. Against a 73 boss mob with standard mob stats for the level, you require approximately 102.4% total avoidance+block (due to the slight reduction in your avoidance and block chances applied by the mobs higher level), leaving another 2% leeway to play with.

So a couple months from now I imagine we'll be seeing raid tanks who don't even have shield block on their bars any more.

If i made a mistake somewhere, feel free to point it out.





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  • 1. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:38:52 PM PDT
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as unlikely it is that ill ever get to see those stuff on my char, i hope blizz wont pull out the nerf bat.. : / this is pretty impressive..
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  • 2. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:45:39 PM PDT
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GL holding aggro
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  • 3. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:48:14 PM PDT
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GL holding aggro


You'd still get hit, but every hit would be a block. That's some pretty impressive work, actually. The only thing I can think about, as a result of this, would be "What would your HP be like?"
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  • 4. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:51:29 PM PDT
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Every hit wouldn't be a block. There would be a lot of parry miss dodge.
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  • 5. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:52:00 PM PDT
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Q u o t e:
GL holding aggro


You'll still be taking plenty of damage via blocked hits if rage generation is the problem you are seeing. As well, you'll have 10 less rage you need to spend every 5 seconds on shield block, and a talent point free from the imp. shield block talent. The lack of +hit may be an issue, but by subbing a few gems or gear items this may be overcome.

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  • 6. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:57:17 PM PDT
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You'd still get hit, but every hit would be a block. That's some pretty impressive work, actually. The only thing I can think about, as a result of this, would be "What would your HP be like?"


Most of the gear actually has some fairly high stamina on it, and some more can be madeup with enchants, but since you will no longer be taking any sort of spike damage, you should be able to get away with a lower HP total than normally required.

The block chance is about 55%, so there will still be lots of incoming rage.

The only problem I see is on mobs that do really really big normal hits, if the HP pool isn't big enough to handle a few of them there could be trouble.

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  • 7. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 06:58:08 PM PDT
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35% block....100% every 10 seconds..now I'm not positive but I believe parry/dodge rolls override / come before block rolls...So you have a 70% avoidance [not to be confused with mitigation]..raw avoidance giving 0 rage. If you're in this good of gear, you can assume every dps in the raid is sustaining 1200dps easily.. You're getting a smidge of rage every 3 out of 10 attacks...against 1200dps..glhf
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  • 8. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:00:57 PM PDT
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Just saying, drop some dodge/parry [all those worthless defense gems], and get more armor/block value/stam. You'd be doing your raid a favor.


Not meaning to harass the OP, it was good work and in theory really cool.... Just unreasonable / not viable.
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  • 9. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:01:45 PM PDT
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35% block....100% every 10 seconds..now I'm not positive but I believe parry/dodge rolls override / come before block rolls...So you have a 70% avoidance [not to be confused with mitigation]..raw avoidance giving 0 rage. If you're in this good of gear, you can assume every dps in the raid is sustaining 1200dps easily.. You're getting a smidge of rage every 3 out of 10 attacks...against 1200dps..glhf


35% block from the block rating alone. Then there's 5% base, 5% talented, and about another 10-12% from defense skill. Block will be making up the majority of the attack table, despite the fact that miss parry and dodge overwrite block on the table. There just isn't enough of the other avoidances supplied by the gear to overwrite very much of the block%.


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  • 10. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:04:12 PM PDT
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Each attack... /roll 100 first for dodge, second for miss, third for parry........After all that it goes "okay this is going to hit, /roll 100 for block"


It would override a lot.
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  • 11. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:04:59 PM PDT
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Every hit wouldn't be a block. There would be a lot of parry miss dodge.


Actually, that gear provides less total dodge+parry than I have now in my karazhan/gruul's lair gear. That gear gains its > 100% avoidance via a lot of block rating. And guess what, a lot of block rating gear also has good block value. Not wasting rage on shield block also will help increase overall threat.
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  • 12. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:05:10 PM PDT
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pretty sweet. nice idea/research with a forum name to back it up.

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  • 13. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:05:26 PM PDT
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Every hit wouldn't be a block. There would be a lot of parry miss dodge.


Those aren't hits.
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  • 14. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:05:44 PM PDT
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35% block....100% every 10 seconds..now I'm not positive but I believe parry/dodge rolls override / come before block rolls...So you have a 70% avoidance [not to be confused with mitigation]..raw avoidance giving 0 rage. If you're in this good of gear, you can assume every dps in the raid is sustaining 1200dps easily.. You're getting a smidge of rage every 3 out of 10 attacks...against 1200dps..glhf


he wrote it clearly, only around 10% avoidance from dodge and parry. no you wont be rage starved with this gear set
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  • 15. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:05:45 PM PDT
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Actually, that gear provides less total dodge+parry than I have now in my karazhan/gruul's lair gear. That gear gains its > 100% avoidance via a lot of block rating. And guess what, a lot of block rating gear also has good block value. Not wasting rage on shield block also will help increase overall threat.



If you don't use shield block, I don't care how good your gear is, you're terrible.
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  • 16. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:06:20 PM PDT
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Those aren't hits.


Every attack. Better?
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  • 17. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:06:56 PM PDT
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Just saying, drop some dodge/parry [all those worthless defense gems], and get more armor/block value/stam. You'd be doing your raid a favor.


Not meaning to harass the OP, it was good work and in theory really cool.... Just unreasonable / not viable.


Dodge/parry were never the focus, they usually just happened to come along with block rating, or were combined in high numbers on an item to make it the highest avoidance item available for the slot.

Defense is actually what allows this to work, and when trying to accomplish 100% avoidance+block is more valuable than any other avoidance rating save block rating, because you get to count the block % added along with the miss/dodge/parry whereas you would normally ignore it as negligible.

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  • 18. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:07:02 PM PDT
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If you don't use shield block, I don't care how good your gear is, you're terrible.


youre missing the point. you dont need shield block skill when you have immunity to crushing blows
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  • 19. Re: 100% Avoidance+Block possible   06/01/2007 07:10:51 PM PDT
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If you don't use shield block, I don't care how good your gear is, you're terrible.


Uhh. the point of using shield block is to prevent crushing blows. If the boss can't land a crushing blow on you wanyway because your base dodge+parry+block+boss_miss is > 102.4%, then the whole point of using shield block goes away. In fact, if your base "avoidance+block" is > 102.4% than shield block does absolutely NOTHING since there's going to be no difference between 177.4% and 102.4% in terms of taking crushing blows.

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