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Daelo
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  • 0. Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 10:54:26 AM PDT
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Based upon further feedback from guilds in Black Temple and Hyjal, we've decided to make some difficulty adjustments to many of the later bosses. As a general rule, the changes increase the damage dealt by the encounter to the raid. Note that due to the timing and nature of the changes made, some of the tooltips for the retuned abilities will be incorrect.

The encounters changed include:

Gurtogg Bloodboil
Teron Gorefiend
Mother Shahraz
The Illidari Council
Illidan Stormrage
Archimonde

Our intent is not to make the encounters impossible. Even with the increased difficulty, I do expect some of them to be quickly beaten again after guilds experience the changes and adapt.

As a side note, the 2.1.1 patch did include the change to the Archimonde encounter that increases his leash distance and made the Well of Eternity a bad place for casters to be near.

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  • 2. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 10:56:06 AM PDT
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- Stupid whiners

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  • 4. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 10:57:17 AM PDT
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I for one love you blizzard

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  • Whisperwind
  • 6. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 10:59:18 AM PDT
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Hmmm.

Ok, but please promise to tune it down a bit as time goes on so we can beat it when we get there?

See, I have no problem making the encounters challanging for the folks that need to be challanged. They can enjoy their T6 many months before I do.

But when they are challanging T8 I'd like to walk in there and take Illidan down.

I will have the same gear they have now, but I will lack their crazy dedication and skill (or I would be clearing it when they did).

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  • Blackrock
  • 7. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:00:13 AM PDT
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Hmmm.

Ok, but please promise to tune it down a bit as time goes on so we can beat it when we get there?

See, I have no problem making the encounters challanging for the folks that need to be challanged. They can enjoy their T6 many months before I do.

But when they are challanging T8 I'd like to walk in there and take Illidan down.

I will have the same gear they have now, but I will lack their crazy dedication and skill (or I would be clearing it when they did).


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  • 8. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:02:36 AM PDT
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Sad. And here I was thinking maybe us normal people might get a shot at it.

Nope, gotta make it impossible again. Sillyness thinking that if we aren't sponsored to play all day and night that we might be able to see illidan.
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  • 9. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:02:52 AM PDT
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I think I'll link to my post saying they would be doing this.

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  • Eonar
  • 11. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:05:09 AM PDT
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haha I guess this post wasn't wrong after all


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Nihilum mentions that in their attempts at Illidan some hotfixes on bugs were done. This makes me wonder if the GM's are closely following the progression on the last bosses in BT and in direct contact with the raidleaders of Nihilum/Curse or just bloody fast to respond to tickets.
This seems to make sense as Curse and Nihilum are the unofficial live testers on the last bosses in BT.
Looking back at what happened with Lady Vashj with Method and Nihilum and the flak Blizzard received from the WOW community this might be a positive break from the past.
Any one that knows how the communication is with the GM's.
Do they let the raid know he is out for a coffee or smoke and will be afk for 10 mins?

[ Post edited by Horelock ]

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  • Runetotem
  • 12. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:05:21 AM PDT
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I think it's a good idea. No one thinks the second to last boss of Black temple should be defeated sight unseen, knowing nothing about them within 3 hours of including the trash to them.

If the encounters become "too hard", I'm sure blizzard will tune them again.

Remember, you have to kill kael'thas to even reach these bosses. So making them harder isn't gonna affect anyone, except give those who want more of a challenge greater satisfaction when downing a boss.

Remember, illhoof and maiden were buffed cause they were deemed too easy. Guilds adapted, at least to the latter. Illhoof was a bit on the ridiculous side, but still quite doable.

People complaining about bosses being impossible haven't even seen or read about these encounters. Guilds experiencing them say they are too easy.

you same people are in for a rude awakening when you reach lady vashj and especially kael'thas if you even get there with the nerfed content.

[ Post edited by Sinuous ]

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  • 14. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:06:04 AM PDT
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Bosses being buffed because the top guilds doing them now aren't being challenged enough... I never thought I would see the day in ANY video game.
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  • 16. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:09:56 AM PDT
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we've decided to make some difficulty adjustments to many of the later bosses. As a general rule, the changes increase the damage dealt by the encounter to the raid.


As a healer, it really sucks when increased difficulty is only increased for me. Is there no other way to make things harder than just more damage?
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  • Runetotem
  • 19. Re: Black Temple and Hyjal Difficulty Tuning   06/06/2007 11:13:15 AM PDT
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Normal people can see it. SSC and tk are not hard -at all- any longer, it just takes a bit time and learning :p

Unless you're saying you refuse to put the time in to get your rewards....


Just wait, they'll start crying for nerfs on Lady Vashj and Kael'thas. The otehr bosses in both zones are quite doable, but both these bosses have a pretty steep learning curve. I haven't done kael'thas, but from the video and what i've raid, sounds like a really fun challenge.
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