The new patch and matchmaking system has just nerfed the hell out of any pvp guild. Why run BG premades anymore? All you do is get matched up with other premades that are going to drag games out extremely long.

What is the benefeit of organization? Nothing. You have a better chance at 5 capping with a pug. In my battlegroup Horde owns.How is an alliance player supposed to win ABs? We sure as hell dont win them with pugs...we do guild runs and we get drawn out even longer than the pugs take. What are we supposed to do?

Way to completely destroy any pvp guild.

so you're saying its too hard now that you are matched against non-noobs?

Wow I hope you're not serious, any REAL PvP guild would rather fight a pre-made over a pug any day.

As a PvPer, this post makes me sad.

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Wow I hope you're not serious, any REAL PvP guild would rather fight a pre-made over a pug any day.

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QFT

So now that PvP is a challenge your not interested?

You might consider twinking as an option. You can win with little to no skill, just get some good gear.

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Oh noes, PvP guilds finding competitive PvP, whatever shall we do now??

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Camp summoning stones and kara?

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So now that PvP is a challenge your not interested?

You might consider twinking as an option. You can win with little to no skill, just get some good gear.

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Yep - he flat out said he didn't want to face skilled opponents.

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As it was before you could do both.

Do I like getting lots of honor becuase I took the time to organize it? why Yes YES I DO.

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that's like starting a biker gang, and then instead of fighting other biker gangs, going to pre-schools and picking fights with 3 year olds

























































in other words, you suck

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The new patch and matchmaking system has just nerfed the hell out of any pvp guild. Why run BG premades anymore? All you do is get matched up with other premades that are going to drag games out extremely long.

What is the benefeit of organization? Nothing. You have a better chance at 5 capping with a pug. In my battlegroup Horde owns.How is an alliance player supposed to win ABs? We sure as hell dont win them with pugs...we do guild runs and we get drawn out even longer than the pugs take. What are we supposed to do?

Way to completely destroy any pvp guild.

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No. It completely destroyed scrub guilds like yours, actually. Those that enjoy playing other opponents for more of a challenge win.

Go level your twink rogue, you piece.

This thread is sad.

it's still a loose system, not enough players means your premade will be against a pug. but gosh noooooo fair pvp, someone better make a post about that on the forums too!

Our guild, which is built around playing in BG's, loves fighting other premades. Now, however, we can't even get into the BG's to do so since queueing as a group results in hour+ waits in all brackets. Nice fix.