according to every class except paladins (due to them not being up to par with everyone else since vanilla and until today) you are all doomed and will be quiting cos your class is gimped.

So if everyone is gimped.... no one is gimped? rite?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043246728&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043167562&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043237534&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043217633&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956648419&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043277167&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043247647&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043237800&sid=1

So true. Ive been browsing a few of the class forums and all i hear is QQ this and QQ that. No one is ever happy.

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according to every class except paladins (due to them not being up to par with everyone else since vanilla and until today) you are all doomed and will be quiting cos your class is gimped.

So if everyone is gimped.... no one is gimped? rite?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043246728&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043167562&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043237534&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043217633&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956648419&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043277167&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043247647&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043237800&sid=1

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Yeah, nothing new there... Wonder if some of them ever realize it's not that class... It's them. :p

Probably not.

I think some classes/specs do have legit complaints. But I have to agree with the sentiment every class seems unhappy. I was surfing around trying to figure which combos come out good for the expansion and everyone seems unhappy -even hunters..

Haha, a post that some people really need to see and take to heart. Yes, no one is ever happy no matter what you do. People will always say that the grass is greener.

This seemed rather appropriate given the situation:

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Very few have the ability to stand back and see all the classes at once from a very knowledgeable and objective point of view, how they interact with one another and what their various strengths and offsets are.

Most players see the entire game from their little own little vantage point, and are apt to view their class's shortcomings as serious failures of game design rather than areas in which they'll need to get their friends of other classes to come help them and work as a team.

Sometimes, after playing for a while, the general playerbase realizes that the huge nerfs everyone was yelling and screaming about just a little while ago aren't really that bad, and the game is still very enjoyable regardless.

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http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/09/19/breakfast-topic-will-the-classes-be-balanced-in-time/

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Yeah, nothing new there... Wonder if some of them ever realize it's not that class... It's them. :p

Probably not.

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Way way WAY too true. Every class is broken beyond repair. Every other class is way overpowered and needs to be nerfed to death.

I think it's them, not the class. Can one class + particular spec do better in one narrow area than one other class + particular spec? Yes. Can people still pick a class and spec, to do better in whatever 'specialty" they choose? Yes. That's why there are leveling specs, raid specs, PvP specs, evern farming specs. Will there still always be that one guy who can mop the floor with them regardless, or that one boss who is toughr than another? Yes.

Does that mean everything is broken and everyone is doomed?




No.

unfortunately it's easier to pick out the flaws of the class you play instead of the strengths, which you see as a logical right.

For example, mages laugh with glee when they poly/ice trap/ nuke a warrior into the dirt, but uh oh! big bad resto druid made them run out of mana! WAAAAAAAH BUFF MAGES NERF DRUIDS!!!!

Honestly do you know how irritating it is to have to come to the druid forums to see 5 threads a day where crybabies on their level 5 rogue alts piss and moan like 13 year old girls on their first rag because they can't kill or catch a resto druid? No class should have a definite advantage over all the others. No class should have a definite disadvantage over all the others, and just because a lot of people know how to play their class doesn't mean that they're overpowered.

Sure, i get the floor mopped with my face with people of all classes, even undergeared people. I once fought an undergeared mage that three shotted me. Spellsteal, counterspell, BAM dead.

When spec-defining abilities are broken, I'd consider the spec broken. Even if it accomplishes the goal its supposed to do, if the things that make you say "Wow, look, a ele sham." or "Wow, look, a balance druid" are abilities that are buggy and pretty much just for show.... I consider that broken.

This thread is touching on everything I've been saying in every "blizz hates us" thread I've come across. Such as this post I recently made:

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Guys, contrary to what you want to believe, blizzard actually does try to balance out all the classes and specs evenly. Due to the nature of MMOs, it's impossible for them to just do math and understand instantly how every spell will compare with all other class's abilities. Thus, the PTR. People play, every imaginable scenario is experimented with, and inevitable imbalances are discovered. Then adjustments are made. Blizz isn't comprised of a staff that exclusively plays warlocks or rogues (or ret paladins now...). It is legitimately in their best interest to do their best to please all current players of all classes.

Nevertheless, it has apparently become the forum habit to just complain about every "adjustment" that is ever made within the classes we ourselves play, crying about being nerfed. Simultaneously, it has become the habit to call for other classes to be nerfed. What it comes down it is a bunch of players completely incapable of escaping their personal biases toward their class when discussing abilities and adjustments.

So much unproductive discussion ensues...

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Although I will say, one thoughtful poster responded outlining how blizzard's own actions are conducive to this type of forum behavior. Blizzard fails to communicate and/or explain why they make half the changes they make. When people aren't given reasons for extended periods of time, they start to complain. And blizzard responds to complainers by announcing "we don't cave into whiners."

All around poor communication, and easily preventable.

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So if everyone is gimped.... no one is gimped? rite?

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"We make everyone equally unhappy!" is rarely a winning marketing strategy.

While I'll grant that the QQ river does overflow a tad often, is anyone really surprised at the current state of the forums? The game is undergoing massive changes, now is the time to have your say -- for as little good as that will do.

Did anyone think druids would be happy about having their current armor nerfed into the ground and getting talent points they have to spend just to get partially back to where they were before they got shoved into ill-fitting rogue leather?

Did anyone think priests, pallies, and shammies would be happy about having half their mana efficiency toolbox thrown out with the downranking-is-bad-for-PvP (and, let's be honest here, PvP is, per usual, driving the vast bulk of the changes in this expansion) bathwater?

Did anyone think mages would be happy... Ever?

Okay, that last is a little harsh, but the reality is there is a dearth of "Oh wow!" factor in most of the revamped class trees and what very few new skills there will be. Most classes have at least one, and generally several, longstanding issues, most of which are not being addressed, only met with silence. The plethora of changes bring with them many obvious issues and few, if any, obvious advantages. People will adjust, to be sure, but having to adjust to changes that mostly harm your class is not a strong basis for getting excited about an expansion.

BC brought with it arenas (god help us), flying mounts, two new races, and a new-to-each-faction class.

WotLK is bringing DKs and... Homogenization?

Oh joy,

It's not that simple, of course, but Blizzard is not doing a great job of convincing anyone of that. I appload GC's efforts in the beta druid forums, her posts have at least provided a sense that someone was paying attention, even if her answers have not always been the ones we wanted. Beyond her admirable efforts, though, I've seen little effort at real communication, and it shows in the mood of the playerbase.

Very few are happy about much that is coming with WotLK. Honestly I don't think all, or even most of that can be laid at the player's feet or simply ignored as mindless QQ. Blizzard really should be doing a far better job of communicating with the player base then they are.

Frankly I think sitting atop that high pillar, knowing that most of the playerbase will buy WotLK no matter what, has made Blizz a tad lazy.

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according to every class except paladins (due to them not being up to par with everyone else since vanilla and until today) you are all doomed and will be quiting cos your class is gimped.

So if everyone is gimped.... no one is gimped? rite?

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043246728&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043167562&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043237534&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043217633&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=9956648419&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043277167&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043247647&sid=1
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10043237800&sid=1

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Thanks for this post. I've been wanting to do something like it for several months now.

Edit: Lifedancer, have you played wotlk? if so, "lazy" isn't the word I'd use to describe blizzard.

Actually, as Rogues, we are gonna be AWSOME!!!!

Druids are overpowered and will remain so, no big deal there.

Hunters are crap and will remain so, no big deal there. (Hunters, man, tell blizz thanks for buffing the pigs, but what has that got to do with arenas?) Someone at Blizz hates hunters.

Whatever. I'm happy!

Sap! Sap Sap!!! Sap Sap Sap! Sap! Sap Sap!!! Sap Sap Sap! Sap! Sap Sap!!! Sap Sap Sap! Sap! Sap Sap!!! Sap Sap Sap! Sap! Sap Sap!!! Sap Sap Sap! VANISH!

Resto druids were happy, and all the other classes QQ-ing about us got our AoE heal nerfed to living hell three different ways, and lifebloom got nuked so bad it will heal for less at 80 than it does at 70 and cost more mana.

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Resto druids were happy, and all the other classes QQ-ing about us got our AoE heal nerfed to living hell three different ways, and lifebloom got nuked so bad it will heal for less at 80 than it does at 70 and cost more mana.

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All decisions made by blizzard come 100% from these cesspool forums.

And you know how effective lifebloom will be at 80? Please tell me where you got your time machine.

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All decisions made by blizzard come 100% from these cesspool forums.

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An amazing amount do, almost always in proportion to the QQ going on.

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And you know how effective lifebloom will be at 80? Please tell me where you got your time machine.

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Right now, after the most recent nerf, its healing for less at 80 than it does at 70, and its costing more mana. No need to build a time machine to play the PTR and read posts from people in the beta forum.

Awesome, I'm sure thats going to be something written in stone that will never change either.

this is probably my favorite thread ever
i'm going to make it my homepage.