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  • Hellscream
  • 320. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:46:53 PM PDT
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So I have to change my hair color.

BFD.

Doesn't matter because tree form is half-useless and all-ugly anyway.

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  • Thorium Brotherhood
  • 321. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:47:29 PM PDT
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Am I speaking english?

I took exception to people saying my opinion was invalid. YOU (you being the opposition, not you specifically) took exception to my saying your opinion does not counter my opinion. I called you an idiot for saying it did.

Read the posts. Slowly, if that helps. In order. That is what happened. That is why I continue to say that the people here that keep saying that "My opinion is the right opinion" are idiots. You start by saying that everyone's opinion is valid, and then you insult me, again, for saying that your opinion does not override mine. Make sense more, please.



It actually started by me finding your defence of your opinion to one poster amusing. You then decided to attack me over that and call me an idiot because I found your defence to someone argument amusing. I hadn't posted before that.

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  • Lightbringer
  • 322. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:48:57 PM PDT
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You cannot argue with the venn diagram. Its word is law. LAW.

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  • Hellscream
  • 323. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:49:52 PM PDT
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-"Why would I be able to turn into a white bear if I have green hair? That doesn't make sense."
Hello? How could you be able to turn into a bear at all? Magic! You really think it makes MORE SENSE that if you turn into a bear, at least that bear shares your hair color?


Yes.



Q u o t e:
It's absurd to think that a druid, with the power to turn themselves into a bear, cat, sea lion, bird, moonkin, tree, and another cat, would somehow be unable to change something as simple as their hair color. Tell me, how does the barbershop allowing you to change your fur color make any more sense? They dye your hair something different, and that dye bleeds through to your form colors? Why?


To quote you:

Q u o t e:
Magic!



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It's not my natural hair. They dye your fur in both forms when they dye your hair? Couldn't I ask them to dye my forms a different color?



Sure, but then when you turn back into a Night Elf, it should result in a different hair color. The system of tying it to hair color is interesting, fun and logical.


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  • Smolderthorn
  • 324. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:54:58 PM PDT
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Much in the way specific physical features (i.e. horns, eyes, facial shape, etc.) found on bear and cat forms resemble the races to which they are linked, we feel it makes sense to tie the color schemes of these forms to the most identifiable coloring options of their respective races: hair color for night elves, and skin tone for tauren.


Would there be possibility of adding even more forms in the future?

Also my main point in this post... would it be absurd to still have the new forms be tied to the barbershop, but independant of humanoid form features?

I think the biggest disappointed is because people were expecting radically different forms than what is currently in place.

Not only this, but skin tone for tauren isn't changeable through the barbershop. Nelves can cut their hair, but does this mean Tauren will be issued the respective forms to a skin color they picked a long time ago?

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  • 325. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:55:32 PM PDT
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Well considering that the game exists to please their millions of customers, no they can't. They have to please the fanbase. Why do you think the game is so casual friendly now? Why are there so many nerfs to things? Because Blizzard has to appeal to the fans.


Very bad comeback. Say 80% or druids like the change and 20% do not. that seems a reasonable estimate reading this. Is it fair that those 20% who don't can just QQ till they have their way? this aint Burger King.
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Zarhym
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  • 326. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:55:48 PM PDT
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/endthread

I respectfully would ask that Blizzard reconsiders the color portion of this policy, as I find it unnecessarily restrictive to personal customization for our characters, and would like to take full advantage of the new forms you've provided us.

Thank you for your time.

The feedback has certainly been noted and passed along, Daystar, as there are clearly many who share your opinion. Thanks for making an attempt at civil discourse. :)

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  • Shattered Hand
  • 327. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:57:35 PM PDT
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Daystar, While I understand your complaint, I, as an individual, do not care how they implement this customization feature. I'm very happy no matter what they decide to do.

- If I want to be a Black kitty/Bear, I don't mind having Black hair (it looks fine).

I know that the bottom left bear form will be Green hair which is my current character's hair color, but I'll have to wait to see NE Cat form to see if I'll change it, I'm pretty excited to get some cool looking forms.

Here's hoping for green kitty lol.

[ Post edited by Sylver ]


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  • Thorium Brotherhood
  • 328. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 12:57:59 PM PDT
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Would there be possibility of adding even more forms in the future?

Also my main point in this post... would it be absurd to still have the new forms be tied to the barbershop, but independant of humanoid form features?

I think the biggest disappointed is because people were expecting radically different forms than what is currently in place.

Not only this, but skin tone for tauren isn't changeable through the barbershop. Nelves can cut their hair, but does this mean Tauren will be issued the respective forms to a skin color they picked a long time ago?


They are adding the ability for Tuaren to be able to change their fur (humanoid form fur, not feral form) colour at the barber shop.

[ Post edited by Maor ]


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  • Tichondrius
  • 329. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:00:47 PM PDT
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I'm a bit on the fence about this whole issue. I usually pick the fur color that looks best with the current end game gear, so now I'll be able to change it every now and then (which I like). It does make sense that you would shift into a bear/cat of a similar color to your hair/fur.

I do support both sides, though. Here's to hoping that my cat form color is just as nice :D

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  • Burning Blade
  • 330. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:00:49 PM PDT
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It actually started by me finding your defence of your opinion to one poster amusing. You then decided to attack me over that and call me an idiot because I found your defence to someone argument amusing. I hadn't posted before that.


I went back to read it to make sure. You phrase it as "me finding your defence of your opinion to one poster amusing," forgetting to add that in your expression of how amusing it was, you implied that my point was unsound. Don't try to pretend that it was just some innocent, joking matter: you were pointing out that you found my saying "Stop saying magic only works a certain way" as wrong, and by your manner implied that I was being childish/stupid.

I insulted you for insulting me as you disagreed with me. Sorry if you didn't find what you said insulting. I did. Phrase your "arguments" with more care in the future.

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  • Shattered Hand
  • 331. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:01:50 PM PDT
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Would there be possibility of adding even more forms in the future?


Yes - please read the Development page in which the new Druid forms are located, Travel Form, Boomkin and Tree Forms will all get updated skins/models. Can't wait for Aquatic/Travel forms to be updated ^_^.


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Work continues on new looks for the remaining druid forms and we hope to add them in future content patches.

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Zarhym
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  • 333. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:02:37 PM PDT
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Would there be possibility of adding even more forms in the future?

Whether you mean more color options per form, or upgrades and color options added for forms other than cat and bear, the answer is yes.


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Also my main point in this post... would it be absurd to still have the new forms be tied to the barbershop, but independant of humanoid form features?

It's not absurd. It would take more programming and development time to implement such a feature, but that's not the primary reason for our choice to tie the color schemes to the hair color/skin tone of each race.


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think the biggest disappointed is because people were expecting radically different forms than what is currently in place.

Trust me. The forms are radically improved. This will be even more apparent in game. There is no comparing the detail from the original form art to the new form art. Even still, a radically improved and more resolute bear with five different coloring options is still a bear. It's going to come out looking basically like bears in World of Warcraft look like.


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Not only this, but skin tone for tauren isn't changeable through the barbershop. Nelves can cut their hair, but does this mean Tauren will be issued the respective forms to a skin color they picked a long time ago?

Tauren will be able to change skin tone using the barber shop when the new form art is released in the next major content patch.

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  • Shadowmoon
  • 334. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:04:13 PM PDT
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I completely agree with OP. I'd rather give up a minor glyph slot than change my skin color.
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  • Wyrmrest Accord
  • 335. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:06:16 PM PDT
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Much in the way specific physical features (i.e. horns, eyes, facial shape, etc.) found on bear and cat forms resemble the races to which they are linked, we feel it makes sense to tie the color schemes of these forms to the most identifiable coloring options of their respective races: hair color for night elves, and skin tone for tauren.


I created my character with those specific physical traits because that's what I felt was most appealing and I wouldn't want to change it. The new forms look fantastic, but some of the color combinations I didn't agree with and I wouldn't want to be stuck with a particular combination that I just ultimately hated and therefore a waste of money; or forces me to adjust my favorite physical features simply for some feral form fur color. I don't care about the model, only the fur color combinations and I think would be fair for everyone to be able to choose based on their liking and not be forced into it.

I don't see how allowing people to choose their fur color will change any of the uniqueness of this option and will still see all varieties of our feral brothers and sisters about. I suppose you could argue that "if I didn't like the color combination, then don't purchase it", however I believe that to be a half-arsed decision being that if you have already created the forms, why not allow people to just pick what was best-suited for them and not out of pure convience for yourselves?

Edit: I also wanted to add that the models are fantastic and am completely looking forward for all of this to be implemented, but my concern remains: I wish to be able to choose the color combinations of the fur for my forms and not just have A or B.

[ Post edited by Alaenyis ]

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  • 336. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:07:07 PM PDT
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I respectfully ask that many of these "suggestion" you are getting don't slow down the implementation of the VASTLY improved forms that you already have planned. Also, for any that naysay, let them keep their old form. If they can't accept this is being a great thing, let them enjoy another four year term as heinous.

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  • Bloodscalp
  • 337. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:07:24 PM PDT
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Hey Zarhym, I don't mean to derail this topic, but why in God's name can't we use Noggenfogger or other effects like other classes can in full effect?

Just like COMPETENT people can read a DK's "stance", I'm more than sure COMPETENT people can read what form we're in even if we are skeletons.

Not allowing us to do use things like Noggenfogger simply suggests you either dislike the Druid class, or you think that Druids using Noggenfogger in BG's or world PvP should not be allowed, even though your company makes it obvious they could care less about BG's or world PvP.

Boom.
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  • 338. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:07:53 PM PDT
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Why is everyone acting like it's a necessity to change their hair/skin color to get a good looking bear/cat? All the colors look fantastic. If you're really that attached to your hair/skin, don't change it. You're still gonna look awesome when you switch into your forms.

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  • Thorium Brotherhood
  • 339. Re: The main problem with new forms:   05/28/2009 01:08:20 PM PDT
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I went back to read it to make sure. You phrase it as "me finding your defence of your opinion to one poster amusing," forgetting to add that in your expression of how amusing it was, you implied that my point was unsound. Don't try to pretend that it was just some innocent, joking matter: you were pointing out that you found my saying "Stop saying magic only works a certain way" as wrong.

I insulted you for insulting me as you disagreed with me. Sorry if you didn't find what you said insulting. I did. Phrase your "arguments" with more care in the future.


Actually, I just found it amusing, kind chuckle worthy. I found it amusing given the post you were rebutting. Just because you took it as an insult doesn't mean it was. I'm not always going to phrase things I type to make sure people are not insulted when they take things I type out of the context I meant to say them in.

EDIT: And with that, I'll just stop posting about this.

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