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I am the GM of Shadow Corp http://www.shadowcorpguild.com and have been faced with many of the dilemmas outlined in this great post. After implementing a DKP like system and being faced with all the issues it presents, and more importantly the time required to implement systems to circumvent said issues, I have adopted the Suicide Kings mod to distribute the wealth. I have read the initial poster's opinion on this system and found her assertion, that it does not reward people that attend the "learning" phases of a boss encounter, helpful and correct. I have therefore implemented an addendum to our guild's loot rules to somewhat overcome this limitation. I'n boss attempts where; the boss does not go down, no loots is dropped, nobody suicides, no participants move up the list while absent members stay frozen; I instituted a rule that drops everyone not present down a spot keeping the ones present frozen. I know this is far from the silver bullet but It will allow me a mechanic (that is simple to manage) to reward those present. In the epic quest of balancing the responsibilities of being the guild master and having a life outside the pixel cornucopia of wow, I have found this to be the best solution for me and my guild-mates.

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hello all

well i can honestly say that our loot system in my guild Malevolence is pretty fair. here is our ZG and MC loot system. we use our own system and not DKP ( OH NOES !!!), we use a sort of priority system, we base the majority of priority off of www.wow-loot.com, with a few decided modifications to some of the loot.

ZG= any ONE person is allowed to roll on and win any 1 blue item and any 1 epic item, once the person wins either one or both, they CAN NOT win any other ZG items that run, this allows the rest of the people in the raid to sucessfully have a chance at winning and obtaining items. it does not matter what what the epic item is, (if the words are purple , it counts ) , the idol's that drop however DO NOT count as the persons blue, as we give any people with tier 2 then tier 1 items priority over others that have just blues.

MC= any ONE person is allowed to roll on and win 1 tier one set piece and one non tier 1 set item. once the person wins 1 BoP tier 1 set item, they CAN NOT win another tier 1 set piece UNTIL ONE OTHER PERSON, of their same class sucessfully rolls and wins a BoP tier 1 set item, IF no other one person wins a tier 1 set item of that class that SAME run, the other person is allowed to come back on the next run and STILL roll on any epic item that is non tier 1. blue items that drop in MC are limited to two per person.

so far , not one person has complained about our loot system and 90% of the guild finds it fair and equal to all, cuz of not showing favortism to anyone, save for your 2 main tanks that are needed.

hope this helps

Laterz ^_^

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I'd like to give an overview of a system I came up with and am advocating for my raiding alliance to use. I call it tokens. There are a number of minor details that can be done this way or that, but the key thing that sets this system apart from others is that the pool of points is finite. With DKP, you usually earn DKP for boss kills. You can always kill the boss again and get some more DKP. In contrast, there are only so many possible tokens and you can reach a point where there are no more tokens to get. This isn't just a cap on max DKP - tokens are only earned from things that aren't repeated. Raid first kills are the major source. There's only one first kill. There might be awards for unsuccessful attempts before a first kill. Other possibilities include getting 315 fire resistance or attuning to Naxxramas. Either you've done it or you haven't, and you only do it once. If someone manages to do everything designated to award tokens, there are no more tokens to get until a new dungeon opens for new first kills.

Why do it this way? You get rewards for doing the hard work that leads to the first kill. With most DKP systems, you get the most DKP when things are on farm status and you're getting lots of kills. People working hard on new content just get repair bills. Plenty of raids have experienced begging people to come for months, then after months of blood sweat and tears they finally down the big boss, all the moochers come out of the woodworks. With tokens, you earn your points working for first kills, then cash them in later when things are on farm.

Since tokens are finite, what happens when no one has any? Fall back on another system. For laid-back raids, the fallback would be /random. Others could choose DKP. It doesn't matter much as far as the token system itself is concerned. The fallback system would also be used for any drops that are too common to be worth using scarce tokens on. (For instance, thinking in the context of my AQ20 raid, tokens would only be used on epics and blues would be rolled.)

I really see potential for a system like this to shine in the smaller Burning Crusade raids.

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You're missing our loot system up there :)

It's called MPS...

CALCULATING MPS
MPS is a loot distribution system where a player will earn points for attending raids and then when they take an item, their merit will be recalculated. The system works to determine which player's turn it is to have first pick. Players will earn two types of points: Boss Kill Points (BKP) and Bonus Points. Boss Kill Points are whenever a player is in attendence when a boss is killed they are awarded a certain number of points based on how many points that boss was worth (complete listings of all the bosses and their current values are listed below). Bonus Points are awarded for various things such as staying for the whole raid, learning days, farmer points, etc. In order to determine a player's Merit Value, which then determines which player will loot an item, the BKP and Bonus values are added up and then divided by the sum of a player's Item Value and Mod. All items have a certain Item Value. Whenever a player takes an item, that value will be added to their current item value (all item values start at 1 since you can't divide by 0). Thus, once you recalculate the Merit, a player's Merit will go down after they have taken an item. The Mod value is a value that is put into place when a new player joins the raid. This value prevents new players from gaining Merit too quickly and looting over veteran players. This value is assigned based on how long after December 1st, 2005 (start of BiP raiding) the player joined the raid.

http://www.wowbananas.com/mps

Above is link to our mps page so you can see how it works. It's been modified a lot as we move up the instance chain since we constantly have to balance item values as the items get better.

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since we constantly have to balance item values as the items get better

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Is EP/GP = PR a fair way of distributing loot? In its basic form without the "Raid Window", is it better than traditional DKP or Zero-Sum DKP?

Are inflation and hoarding still big problems in EP/GP's basic form without the "Raid Window"?

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What are your thoughts on the "Raid Window"? On the one hand, it is friendly to newbies because they become truly equal to any veteran member after X raids. On the other hand, it heavily encourages people to attend every raid because that maximizes one's EP and thus PR.

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The "Raid Window" seems to solve a lot of problems like inflation and hoarding. Would we get equal results if we apply the concept of Raid Windows to traditional or zero-sum DKP? Is the brilliant(?) idea here EP/GP or the Raid Window?

Is the fact that the "Raid Window" wipes out contributions made more than X raids ago really abhorrent to people? Or is it not a big deal?

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Why disband the guild?

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